The police farce.

That was an illegal stop and search for a start. The officer must give their name and police station, what they expect to find, for example drugs, the reason why they want to search you why they are legally allowed to search
you.
Miss any of the above and it then becomes an illegal stop and search. Correct me if I'm wrong but I didn't hear them tell this fellow which police station they were from.
You’re wrong
 
Only in the Outer Boroughs of the Metropolitan Police area, and that stopped in 1936. The Blue Lamp was set in 1950, and Dixon of Dock Green was 1950s to 1960s.s
you could ask the desk to issue you a revolver with ‘good reason’.
carrying a revolver if you had a reasonable expectation of robust action was common until the 80’s when The Police got a fit of the vapours and went all tacticool Units only with firearms.

it was suggested all police where armed after the Bentley case, but her Majesties constabularies decided they wanted to remain hobby bobbies
 
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Karens are a problem in their own right, sure, but you can easily see what the people want their police force to be, and what they even imagine the police still are until encountering one and having illusions shattered, just by watching old cop shows on TV


And Karens are already being dealt with by society, now that there's a name for them.
I have watched some of those shows and old George didn't take any lip from the scrotes and weirdos of the day. He did help little old ladies over the road, but that was only because he couldn't get there mobile number.
 
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That was an illegal stop and search for a start. The officer must give their name and police station, what they expect to find, for example drugs, the reason why they want to search you. why they are legally allowed to search
you. Miss any of the above and it then becomes an illegal stop and search. Correct me if I'm wrong but I didn't hear them tell this fellow which police station they were from


Similar situation to a fellow filming in Aylesbury. The photography was awarded £3000 in damages.
Not if its under anti terrorism legislation.
 

Flight

LE
Book Reviewer
I've noticed increasing numbers of videos on social media of police being beaten up, even by kids.

Simple fact is you take the knee then you lose people's confidence and respect.

I don't welcome it, it isn't a good thing, but it is happening.

Frankly defending the actions of a coupleof clueless Karens harrassing someone with anti terror legislation doesn't really help that image.

Not too long ago I evicted a tenant and found lots of drug dealing paraphernalia along with ziplock bags of white powder. Phoned 101, was asked to take them to the Police Station. After about two hours having our expectations managed by some idiot ( they were impeccably low) he finally took it all as evidence... But then tried to palm it off on a Karen who wandered by.

She said we should place it back in 'his' room and she would escort him to ensure that he could get his rightful property back! I explained that he had already been evicted and he wan't coming back into my property under any circumstances so she decided that his rights had likely been infringed by the evil capitalist patriarchy...

All I expected and wanted was for them to take his shit and destroy it, such that I didn't have drugs on my property.

Come to think of it I didn't get a receipt so they probably kept the drugs for themselves...
 
I've noticed increasing numbers of videos on social media of police being beaten up, even by kids.

Simple fact is you take the knee then you lose people's confidence and respect.

I don't welcome it, it isn't a good thing, but it is happening.

Frankly defending the actions of a coupleof clueless Karens harrassing someone with anti terror legislation doesn't really help that image.

Not too long ago I evicted a tenant and found lots of drug dealing paraphernalia along with ziplock bags of white powder. Phoned 101, was asked to take them to the Police Station. After about two hours having our expectations managed by some idiot ( they were impeccably low) he finally took it all as evidence... But then tried to palm it off on a Karen who wandered by.

She said we should place it back in 'his' room and she would escort him to ensure that he could get his rightful property back! I explained that he had already been evicted and he wan't coming back into my property under any circumstances so she decided that his rights had likely been infringed by the evil capitalist patriarchy...

All I expected and wanted was for them to take his shit and destroy it, such that I didn't have drugs on my property.

Come to think of it I didn't get a receipt so they probably kept the drugs for themselves...
So let me get this straight...

You found drugs

Police told you to transport them across town to station


Then someone in the police station stated you had breached the druggies rights

Then someone at the police station tried to get you to take the drugs back

‐--‐-

Was this before or after you sampled the white powders
 
Edit- Wtf you doing in CA? There's a dress code here...no clip-on ties being one of them :)
Pining for Viro...


sniffle...sob

Wails despondently
 
That was an illegal stop and search for a start.
No it wasn’t
The officer must give their name and police station,
They did
what they expect to find,
they did
for example drugs, the reason why they want to search you.
They did
why they are legally allowed to search
you.
They did
Miss any of the above
They didn’t
and it then becomes an illegal stop and search.
It wasn’t
Correct me if I'm wrong
but I didn't hear them tell this fellow which police station they were from
@1030 He is given the reason why he is going to be searched. If you didn’t hear everything else due to not watching the next video then you also didn’t see any search take place - the search takes place @150 of the second video after he has been told all that is required (including his right to obtain a record of the search)



@045 He’s told to stop interrupting as there are a number of things to explain to him

Before you’re searched
Before you’re searched the police officer must tell you:
  • their name and police station
  • what they expect to find, for example drugs
  • the reason they want to search you, for example if it looks like you’re hiding something
  • why they are legally allowed to search you
  • that you can have a record of the search and if this isn’t possible at the time, how you can get a copy

Watch his other videos, including the offending video he filmed into the shopping centre - even though he repeatedly lies to the police claiming that he only took a photo of the sign before switching to video only when the security guard came out. You can hear the moment that he almost tells the truth and decides to lie @130 of the first video with the police

 
No it wasn’t

They did
they did
They did
They did

They didn’t
It wasn’t



@1030 He is given the reason why he is going to be searched. If you didn’t hear everything else due to not watching the next video then you also didn’t see any search take place - the search takes place @150 of the second video after he has been told all that is required (including his right to obtain a record of the search)



@045 He’s told to stop interrupting as there are a number of things to explain to him

Before you’re searched
Before you’re searched the police officer must tell you:
  • their name and police station
  • what they expect to find, for example drugs
  • the reason they want to search you, for example if it looks like you’re hiding something
  • why they are legally allowed to search you
  • that you can have a record of the search and if this isn’t possible at the time, how you can get a copy

Watch his other videos, including the offending video he filmed into the shopping centre - even though he repeatedly lies to the police claiming that he only took a photo of the sign before switching to video only when the security guard came out. You can hear the moment that he almost tells the truth and decides to lie @130 of the first video with the police

I agree that the guy filming is a bit of a tw@t but as I pointed out in an earlier post, similar happened to me recently in Leicester Square when a security guard tried to block my way on the square and asked if I had a permit, as I took photos of the crowds and buildings. I chose not to argue and just walked away, as he was quite intimidating (and wrong).
 

dwills

War Hero
Who is training the police nowdays ? they don't seem to understand the most basic rights people have or the legislation they are acting under.


Have they even read the terrorism act ?
What a ****.
 
Late 80s, early 90s I applied to join the police and as I knew a few I went through my application with him and got pointers for interviews etc. Even back then he advised against referring to the police 'force' they preferred 'service'.
Ish
So while there doesn't seem to be any precise date or memo on the matter it was deffo in the air back then.
Funnily enough, I was told that rubbish back in 06 by someone prior to joining. I corrected myself from Force to Service during an initial interview and a Chief Inspector said that either was perfectly acceptable as it still is.
 
That Dirk Bogarde was always a wrong 'un.

Interestingly the pilot for 'Hill Street Blues' had Officer Renko killed in it but he was also reincarnated for the rest of the series'.

Now back to the studio for the main story.
He did look convincing in the Night Porter, but then maybe he had a thing for Charlotte Rampling
 
Alternate argument - situation escalates to violence brings...

"Why didnt the police attempt to deconflict...."
A handful of cops doesn’t represent the whole force nationwide. It’s a few people who made a choice being used to reinforce a pre held view.
 

Green_Homer

War Hero
you could ask the desk to issue you a revolver with ‘good reason’.
carrying a revolver if you had a reasonable expectation of robust action was common until the 80’s when The Police got a fit of the vapours and went all tacticool Units only with firearms.

it was suggested all police where armed after the Bently case, but her Majesties constabularies decided they wanted to remain hobby bobbies
Hobby bobbies are a nickname for Specials, but of course you knew that.

Still waiting to hear whether you watch every second of your CCTV by the way... That said I'm also still waiting to hear why you think it's a good idea to add additional costs to police firearms training by having Mil SAA trainers to carry out the weapon handling and police trainers for the tactics.

But please continue to use words that you clearly don't understand to make yourself look smart.
 
Hobby bobbies are a nickname for Specials, but of course you knew that.

Still waiting to hear whether you watch every second of your CCTV by the way... That said I'm also still waiting to hear why you think it's a good idea to add additional costs to police firearms training by having Mil SAA trainers to carry out the weapon handling and police trainers for the tactics.

But please continue to use words that you clearly don't understand to make yourself look smart.

oh dear, why do the police get so teary eyed at the idea of carrying a firearm?
everyone else manages it, even MoD plod, and they are thick as doggie do.

Why can the rest of the world work out if you don’t carry a firearm, you’re just a bystander if it gets violent. Do you enjoy watching YouTube videos of people using unarmed Police they have no respect or fear off as Recreational punch bags?

meanwhile, I hear tactical knee pads are going to be issued to all English Police so they can take a knee with greater safety.
 

civvy

Old-Salt
In very large cities? I doubt that there was ever a time when cops knew what was happening in central city areas. And we don’t remotely live in those days now.
However people cling to this rose tinted idea.

You are quite right about not living in those days now. However, they did exist. There were police houses about where the local constable lived. They had blue lights outside. And said constable knew his patch inside out. Remember, we didn't have phones in those days so if you needed help you ran to the police house.

The constable was part of the community. Not now; they are people who come in, do things to you and go away again.
 

Green_Homer

War Hero
oh dear, why do the police get so teary eyed at the idea of carrying a firearm?
everyone else manages it, even MoD plod, and they are thick as doggie do.

Why can the rest of the world work out if you don’t carry a firearm, you’re just a bystander if it gets violent. Do you enjoy watching YouTube videos of people using unarmed Police they have no respect or fear off as Recreational punch bags?

meanwhile, I hear tactical knee pads are going to be issued to all English Police so they can take a knee with greater safety.


So can't answer the questions still?

As it happens I'm all for routine arming but can't see it happening for a while for 2 reasons.

Firstly cost and secondly given how easy the public and judiciary will hang an officer out for the slightest minor use of force are you honestly surprised that many don't have faith that they will be supported if they use lethal force?

But again.. you knew that didn't you?

Did the nasty MoD police tell you no once or something? Maybe they didn't snap to attention and listen to your wide range of policing experience? I mean I'm mearely degree educated, with infantry and home office experience which means I'm only allowed blue crayons to eat rather than purple.



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Did the nasty MoD police tell you no once or something? Maybe they didn't snap to attention and listen to your wide range of policing experience? I mean I'm mearely degree educated, with infantry and home office experience which means I'm only allowed blue crayons to eat rather than purple.
<Snigger>
 

Flight

LE
Book Reviewer
So let me get this straight...

You found drugs

Police told you to transport them across town to station


Then someone in the police station stated you had breached the druggies rights

Then someone at the police station tried to get you to take the drugs back

‐--‐-

Was this before or after you sampled the white powders
I might as well have. It took hours and I wouldn't bother handing anything in in the future.

Electronic scales, three bongs, lots if empty ziplock bags with weird symbols on them, several mechanical crushers, spoons with some sort of residue on them, a big pile of small pieces of clingfilm with white residue, half a dozen small bags with white power in the bottom.

Faced with this evidence of drug dealing plod decided that the white powder couldn't actually be drugs, as a druggie wouldn't have left them.

At no point did they ask for the name of the drug dealing tenants. Neither on the phone nor at the station.

Now if I'd have smeared boot polish all over my face and demanded that they knelt and felated me... Different matter.
 

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