The police are at it again - Terror suspect shot

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Man shot in anti-terrorism raid

A Man has been shot by police during a raid carried out under the Terrorism Act, Scotland Yard has said.

He was taken to a nearby hospital after police searched a house in Forest Gate, east London. Sources say the man's injuries are not life threatening.

A 23-year-old man has been arrested and is currently in custody at a central London police station.

The operation, early on Friday morning, was not linked to the London bombings of July 2005, police added.

The decision to launch the raid followed discussions between MI5, the anti-terrorist branch and the Health Protection Agency.

Link to the full story: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/5040022.stm

Wonder how this one's going to effect the anti-terror laws this time!
 
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The suspect isn't dead, therefore i guess he will be suing for damages and interrupted sleep, especially if he is guilty!
 
#3
MI5 Brazilian hit squad were involved in this opo so I guess its going to be a fcuk up! lets see what Sir Ian has to say. Please dont tell me Commander Cressida Dick was in charge at the time!!

The Suspect must have brewing something nasty as the Health Protection Agency were involved too, they deal with playing a critical role in protecting people from infectious diseases and in preventing harm when hazards involving chemicals, poisons or radiation occur.
 
#6
Just had a thought... If this guy had access to CBRN stuff, why is he still alive? Are the Police endangering themselves and the public due to political pressures rather than operational reality?
 

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#7
Warrior_Poet said:
Just had a thought... If this guy had access to CBRN stuff, why is he still alive? Are the Police endangering themselves and the public due to political pressures rather than operational reality?
I imagine they're being a bit cautious after giving the good news to random bloke on the tube...

JJust a thought though, if the wound isn't life threatening and we're all trained for the stopping-shot in the centre of body mass did Plod have an ND?
 
#9
Given what happened in Madrid when police raided the bombers flat I think they should err on the side of caution and use Kratos in these circumstances. Saves the cost of a trial and the expense of keeping them in jail until they are released onto our streets without being considered for deportation.
 

Mr Happy

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#10
and you always hit target centre of mass do you?
As it happens I do more than often not and I have a nice badge and a few medals from Bisley that say that.

But, to remind you of for room clearance and opening fire you fire until the target stops being a threat therefore: You kick in the door, bad guy has a shooter and behaves in a threatening manner and you open fire, if your first shot only grazes his hand or whatever you keep firing you aren't going to wait until you see how reacts because you are only 5-10' away and even untrained criminals can hit you with a pistol at that range so you would multiple shots - this time hopefully getting him in the CBM rather than on his left pinky. Like I say - sounds like an ND.

Edited to remind you that double tap is the 'norm'.
 
#11
Boys, boys...it doesn't say how often he was shot, just that he was engaged and hit sufficient to require hospital. Being hit CBM doesn't mean you will kill - especially if you have half the LAB standing by "just in case"..
 

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Cuddles said:
Boys, boys...it doesn't say how often he was shot, just that he was engaged and hit sufficient to require hospital. Being hit CBM doesn't mean you will kill - especially if you have half the LAB standing by "just in case"..
yes yes yes but a police spokesman saying a few hours after the incident that 'it was not life threatening' implies either an extremity hit, rubber bullet or tazer. It certainly does not mean, 'a double tap in the chest but he's gonna be alright' because if he did croak it Greenpeace/Al Quaida/every conspiracy theorist in the world will then say he died whilst being tortured by CIA/MI5. You only get statements like that when there's nil-0.00000001% chance of death
 
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Arik, he will probably sue the police and be released on a technicality if past experience of our judicial system is anything to go by.
 
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Warrior_Poet said:
Arik, he will probably sue the police and be released on a technicality if past experience of our judicial system is anything to go by.
I am sure Amnesty Int'l would love to get their teeth stuck into this one. :D
 
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Warrior_Poet said:
Given what happened in Madrid when police raided the bombers flat I think they should err on the side of caution and use Kratos in these circumstances. Saves the cost of a trial and the expense of keeping them in jail until they are released onto our streets without being considered for deportation.
You are sure enough that the person in question is guilty to hand out a death sentence? That's he's here illegally? That the CBRN kit isn't just a precaution? That the person involved isn't just a kid spugging about like the one a few months ago that made the news? That the Police got the right bloke this time, unlike the last use of Op KRATOS?

he may be guilty as sin, but until that's shown to be the case why do you want him killed?

I'm glad I live in this country, where the law thinks first and shoots later, when the men in black don't come and whisk you away at night without a good reason, when death sentences aren't handed out and where we have a judiciary subject to public scrutiny.
 
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If only the judiciary were accountable Fluffy, we might not be in the situation we are now in where the rights of the criminal are above the rights of the victim. One day you may be glad of Kratos thanks to our inability to lock these killers up.
 
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Arik said:
Warrior_Poet said:
Arik, he will probably sue the police and be released on a technicality if past experience of our judicial system is anything to go by.
I am sure Amnesty Int'l would love to get their teeth stuck into this one. :D
I bet Chakrabarti is speeding ( in an ecologically friendly way) to the scene as we speak. :roll:

munter

She is bound to be on TV again tonight, that will put me off my pie and mash. :x
 

Mr Happy

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#19
Warrior_Poet said:
Arik, he will probably sue the police and be released on a technicality if past experience of our judicial system is anything to go by.
One thing is for sure, now Plod has popped a cap in his arrse they'll be looking to justify the raid if he was innocent, maybe an outstanding TV Licence bill - prosecuted to the maximum extent to possible by the law - I've seen this before - does anyone remember the two blokes in a red volvo outside a London tube station?

Passerby mistook a mobile phone for a gun (FFS!) and armed officers arrive on the scene surround volvo and scream and shout until pax emerge - civi photographer passing by captures it on 35mm - hard arrest - lots of knees in small of back and hands pushings heads nose down into the tarmac.

Police later released the guys but prosecuted them for 1 bald tire (IIRC - may have been tax disc)... Gotta find something justify it otherwise it sings wrongful arrest etc etc
 
#20
Look they wouldnt shoot him for just a reason he must of tried to reach for something remember that guy that was killed in Manchester with a bread knife?

They can't be to careful now.
 

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