The point of the EU

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  1. Can anyone explain the point of all this expansion of the EU. The original idea (so we were told) was to form a solid trading block that could compete on the world markets with huge economies like the US and japan. If that's the case why are we now inviting lame duck economies in who's only input seems to be huge national debts that we , the more prosperous nations, have to pay off .
    If you believe that there is a case for a common market do you think there is an optimum size?
    If not do you think we actually gain anything by staying in?

    I'll keep my views to myself at the moment and see what others think.
  2. Alsacien

    Alsacien LE Moderator

    You already know what others think - its been done to death.

    If you really have an interest do some research - all the detailed information you could possibly want is publicly available.
  3. Biped

    Biped LE Book Reviewer

    The ONLY benefit of the EU is that we can lower all barriers and tarrifs to trade. Free movement of European nationals to places and industries that need them most.

    The EU, properly organised, can have a huge say in world affairs and trading. The only risk is that, like in Germany and other places, we lose any advantages this might bring through inflexible labour policies and subsequent higher labour costs. HSE is a prime example of this. It increaes labour/business costs dramatically, and thus, we will never compete with the Chinese.
  4. The point of the EU is to tie France to any other country that may one day be a threat to them, In long run it saves them from surrendering.

    Also a good way for Germany and France to force their system of governance (monetry, measurement, legal, language, culture etc ) on everyone else - an aspiration they have been striving for for over two hundred years.

    Just because it is a little cynical doesn't make it untrue
  5. To stick it to the Yanks, the ultimate aim being to replace the dollar with the Euro as the world oil currency. It's about time.
  6. As opposed to NATO which is to Keep the Russians out, The Americans in and the Germans down...
  7. My Bold: Except in death through industrial accident, where our stats are far lower per head. All that expensive, profit-eating don't-kill-your-employees stuff we have that the Chinese don't, what a bugger, eh? That's one of their biggest causes of rioting over there, not something we want to compete with.

    Agreed on the benefit of the EU, though. It's a trading block pure and simple - the rest is just Empire-building by untalented politicians.
  8. Same principle as having lots of people dependent on state hand-outs. Helps the people offering hand-outs get elected. Not sure if it is the same now but it used to be just UK and Germany were net contributors of cash. All the others get free money from the EU so they're more keen on allowing the EU empire to expand. If the Germans woke up tomorrow and stopped seeing their money contribution as a kind of war reparations the EU would collapse.

    Makes no economic sense to tie ourselves in with economies that are worse off than ours imo. Does makes political sense for the EU empire-builders though.
  9. Great idea but condemed to failure once a politician of any nationality gets involved.
  10. have to for the boys.
  11. its so that we can give to them, they can give to themselves, and we can watch them prosper...see?
  12. The EU gave Germany respectability post WW II.
    It gave France someone eles to pay for their excessive socialist lifestyle and allowed them to play the part of a Major world class Nation.
    Both France and UK should be stripped of their seat on the UN security council, for niether cuntry is now a World Leader.
  13. I thought the point was to provide a huge trough for failed, unelected and unaccountable politicians and their legions of bureaucrats and 'hangers-on' to gorge themselves and line their pockets with our, YOUR, tax money!

    The idea of 'free and unrestricted trade, and 'collective security' were selling points to obtain the main objectives described above.
  14. Well the UK wanted 'widening' of the EU to prevent the 'deepening' the French and Germans wanted. It worked.

    The high water mark of European integration has IMO now passed with the French and Dutch 'NO' votes. Europe really doesn't in any way act in a co-ordinated manner on the world stage, they disagree too much amngst themselves.
  15. The best answer to the question 'What's the point of the EU' was given by Sir Humphrey Appleby in the TV series 'Yes Minister':-

    Sir Humphrey Appleby: Minister, let's look at this objectively. It is a game played for national interests and always was. Why do you suppose we went into it?

    James Hacker: To strengthen the brotherhood of free Western nations.

    Sir Humphrey Appleby: Oh, really. We went in to screw the French by splitting them off from the Germans.

    James Hacker: Well why did the French go into it, then?

    Sir Humphrey Appleby: Well, to protect their inefficient farmers from commercial competition.

    James Hacker: That certainly doesn't apply to the Germans!

    Sir Humphrey Appleby: No, no. They went in to cleanse themselves of genocide and apply for readmission into the human race.

    I would add that the EU is invaluable as it keeps the likes of Neil Kinnock, Peter Mandelson and the recently jailed benefit fraudster Ashley Mote MEP from becoming involved in UK politics.