The PCS Boot Tender

MrBane

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So we all know that with the new PCS there are now dozens of tenders kicking about the place for new kit to match our sexy MTP gear.

We've already got the new PCS boot tender well underway with some surprising losers and decisions being made on the way to the final winner.

For anyone that's seen the colour scheme being demanded by the MOD, one company called it 'baby shit brown'. Make of that what you will!

Some interesting points to note are that it appears Lowa are out the running much to their annoyance. There are still some strong brands in but as with all MOD tenders all entries must be free of markings or labels to prevent any bias or prejudice in the judges, so for that reason I wont mention any of them here just now as technically it could put that companies tender at risk.

Points to note are that the insoles the MOD have specified are -shit-. Lets take Company 'a'. They make a very good, cushioned and supportive insole. It will cost no more for this insole to be shipped with the boot however some scientist bloke (Goddamn you DSTL) has decided that this felt based material they've looked at offers better wicking properties. So that is now what the MOD wants. They don't save any money on it. Also, if you ever get a chance to see the insole it'll remind you of your grannies living room carpet. It's awful. So out goes the supportive, cushioned insole and in comes the slab of felt.

They're also looking for the usual variations of boots; Cold Weather, warm weather, high liability, etcetc.

It will be interesting to see how this ends.

I suspect we may be in for the usual fuckup.

I don't have a timeline for the completion date of the tender yet, it's hard to find any info on it. So if anyone can point us towards a document or webpage, that'd be great!
 
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Lowa will be out of the running because the desert boots they provided were shite.

I saw them on the trial on TELIC 10 and they were falling apart.

Saw them issued and worn to a colleague while we were in a mega REMF job on HERRICK and even though they were only being worm to drive (he was pretty lazy so never bloody walked anywhere!) to and from work and generally mince around. They lasted two months before falling to bits...
 

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Lowa dessies always fall to bits, the ones we got issued for Telic used to split just at the bottom of the bridge on your foot.

Defender, this is all facts, as seen at DSEi and informed from various sources. I've had a good look at the insoles and honestly, I would have used them to scrub my bathroom floor if I didn't know what they were for.
 
#5
They could issue the best boots on the planet and we'd still buy our own.

It doesn't matter what colour they are - they become the colour they need to be if you don't cover them in that shiny shitty black crap called polish! :)
 
#6
As long as Magnum are not in the running I have never got on with them, and now I have said that I will be wearing them next year.
 
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Spoke to someone last week while I was in Dartmoor who said that RAF Regt were part of the trials and 3 Sqn had 12 different types to test. One being green!Can't wait for the cleaning routine for that.This was the same guy that turned up in PCS wearing desert boots on Holme Beam. Once he had got into the treeline,they were wrecked.
 

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As the tender progresses the MOD will throw in various specifications, so all the boots now have to be the baby-shit brown. It goes fairly well with the MTP if I'm honest. I'm trying to find out what Army combat arm is taking part in the trialling process (if any).

The two models from two contenders I played with can only be cleaned by a wipe down with a wet rag, that applies to all the boots in the process. Watch Kiwi boot polish shares take a nose-dive. (Seriously.)
 
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All the trial boot variants in my unit are all green.

I've seen other units trailing brown.
 

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Well, might be crossing wires here. It's called baby-shit brown but it's dark browns with dark greens. I think there's about three colour tones all in.
 
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Anyone know anything about the gopping MTP patterned boots I saw being worn with the new uniform the other day (presumably a trial)? Honestly, they looked awful!

Goodness knows how they were supposed to be cleaned, unless kiwi is doing a new line of three colour patterned polishes.
 
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Anyone know anything about the gopping MTP patterned boots I saw being worn with the new uniform the other day (presumably a trial)? Honestly, they looked awful!

Goodness knows how they were supposed to be cleaned, unless kiwi is doing a new line of three colour patterned polishes.
Would that aquaphobic tech be anything to do with it? Gotta agree that MTP boots look gopping. Assault boots in brown anyone?
 

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There are boots available in Cryecam (Multicam) in the Magnum range, but that's just for off the shelf individual purchase, they're not on issue. The current tender design is a mix of dark brown and dark green, but it's not done in a DPM style, it's just different parts of the boots are differently coloured. It looks quite good actually.
 
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if you see Multicam boots being worn it will be part of an assessment for Magnum, they have requested feedback on them from the Export Support Teams at Bovington and Lulworth.

I don't know why everyone is so hung-up on being able to polish boots, there are plenty of other products out there which will protect and nourish the boot's materials better than Kiwi or the like.
 
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Points to note are that the insoles the MOD have specified are -shit-. Lets take Company 'a'. They make a very good, cushioned and supportive insole. It will cost no more for this insole to be shipped with the boot however some scientist bloke (Goddamn you DSTL) has decided that this felt based material they've looked at offers better wicking properties. So that is now what the MOD wants. They don't save any money on it. Also, if you ever get a chance to see the insole it'll remind you of your grannies living room carpet. It's awful. So out goes the supportive, cushioned insole and in comes the slab of felt.
MrBane - I don't know where you got this info but someone is selling you a line! The MoD has specified no such thing. The only thing issued was a performance specification, not a technical/material spec (less colour). The boots are supplied with whatever insole the supplier deems appropriate/has designed to work with their boot. If they think that going for some felt option is the best answer then chances are they'll loose! I suspect you might have been fed a bit of a line by a disgruntled supplier who has lost out - largely because he didn't read the spec properly.

Feel free to PM me - I'd be interested to know who is peddling this line of horsepoo.
 
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This is great, for month we had the PCS - whats it like, whats it going to end upa etc debacle, now for the next few months arrse proudly presents "Love me tender - The story of boots"
 

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Gearspotter, I was shown the models currently in the running for the tender and they all follow the exact same colour pattern and the exact same insole. Everyone I spoke to involved in the process said that was what the MOD had specified. They were kicking off about it because their own options were far superior (in their eyes). It's interesting to see how stories change from one side to the other but I've been told this now by more than just one company still in the running.

polar, no idea what you're going on about there mate.
 

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Simple. Just stick on a layer of green fabric tape and they'll forever look new!

Interestingly, when I had the YDS Eagles in to review, as I mentioned, it says in the instructions not to polish them. So I haven't. It's hard to deny it looks crap but the boots are none the worse for lack of polish as long as I wipe them down every day. Having said that, with PCS now rolling out, you're seeing lots of units adhering to the dress standard of shirts out and no TRF's or name tags. So general scruffiness all round seems to be the order of the day. It'll just take getting used to.
 

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