The Operators

#1
The Operators: On the Streets with Britain's Most Secret Service by James Rennie.

Not a bad read. About half way so far. Being from Northern Ireland I find incidents and references to places very interesting.

Anyone gave this a read?
 
#2
Goony said:
The Operators: On the Streets with Britain's Most Secret Service by James Rennie.

Not a bad read. About half way so far. Being from Northern Ireland I find incidents and references to places very interesting.

Anyone gave this a read?
Years ago. Not bad, and a change form the usual SAS Porn. :)

Fishers of Men is also worth a read.
 
#3
Read it a few years ago and it is good.

Cheers for the steer on Fishers of men.
 
#4
Read it in Palace then spoke to a few old sweats who were around at the time.

Good book smiled at the street light op being denied by headshed
 
#5
Jacob1650 said:
Read it a few years ago and it is good.

Cheers for the steer on Fishers of men.
No worries. :)

Liked the photo of the dog with a handgun at it's feet and the caption: "An Operator in heavy disguse..." :lol:
 

Mr Happy

LE
Moderator
#6
Yup read this and liked the book, I'd recommend it. I think one or two of THEM had an issue with it, not sure why now - perhaps it was criticism of their mexican moustaches
 
#8
I was told a few years ago that he didn't actually complete the course which is why so much of the book revolves round the training and selection.

I was also told that the incidents he describes were all used as examples during the course and took place too far apart to have happened during one persons tour.

Anyone know if that is likely to be correct?
 
#9
On the basis it was submitted to the MoD for checking, I doubt they would've let such blatant 'walting' to go un-noticed!
 
#10
LEGZ30 said:
I was told a few years ago that he didn't actually complete the course which is why so much of the book revolves round the training and selection.

I was also told that the incidents he describes were all used as examples during the course and took place too far apart to have happened during one persons tour.

Anyone know if that is likely to be correct?
From my knowledge of him that is not inconceivable. I encountered him prior to his alleged exploits on ops and later he was virtually my neighbour in his pad.
 
#11
Mr Happy said:
Yup read this and liked the book, I'd recommend it. I think one or two of THEM had an issue with it, not sure why now - perhaps it was criticism of their mexican moustaches
From what(very)little I know, there has never been much love lost between the SAS and 14 Int/SRR.

The first time I ever read the word Walt used in a military context was in McNab's book(the sequal to Bravo Two Zero)when he uses it to discribe 14 Int.

He also claims that he and another SAS soldier had to be threatend with being RTU'd before they would accept an attachment to 14 Int. McNab claims that he and the other bloke p1ssed all over the Det during the weapons training because it was "Just handguns".
 
#13
Werewolf said:
The first time I ever read the word Walt used in a military context was in McNab's book(the sequal to Bravo Two Zero)when he uses it to discribe 14 Int.

He also claims that he and another SAS soldier had to be threatend with being RTU'd before they would accept an attachment to 14 Int. McNab claims that he and the other bloke p1ssed all over the Det during the weapons training because it was "Just handguns".
My bold...because of course McNab is the authority on all things SF....having been "in" does not necessarily make him the oracle.
 
#14
blueygirl said:
Werewolf said:
The first time I ever read the word Walt used in a military context was in McNab's book(the sequal to Bravo Two Zero)when he uses it to discribe 14 Int.

He also claims that he and another SAS soldier had to be threatend with being RTU'd before they would accept an attachment to 14 Int. McNab claims that he and the other bloke p1ssed all over the Det during the weapons training because it was "Just handguns".
My bold...because of course McNab is the authority on all things SF....having been "in" does not necessarily make him the oracle.
My bold. :wink: I never claimed he was. Just pointing out one of Them's opinion of 14 Int, which was less than flattering. Having never met any 14 Int/SRR soldiers, I'm not in any position to judge them.

A couple of months back, an ARRSEr posted that, after a presentation to potential recruits from Them, one of their NCO's told the recruits: "If you fail Selection, then go back to your unit with your head held high. On no account join that load of pr1cks in the SRR!" 8O
 

Mr Happy

LE
Moderator
#15
beware of making one or two peoples opinions of another unit fact, otherwise we'll all be buggered.

Also, of course, a few blokes opinions (actually more than that I accept) does not make their opinions right for you.

I believe that 14int all got badged carte blanche one day did they not? That's gonna add a bit of annoyance to a bloke that slogged his guts out on the hills.
 
#16
Mr Happy said:
beware of making one or two peoples opinions of another unit fact, otherwise we'll all be buggered.

I believe that 14int all got badged carte blanche one day did they not? That's gonna add a bit of annoyance to a bloke that slogged his guts out on the hills.
I'm not; I keep an open mind. Since I never served with SF, I'm not qualified to judge anyone who has, whatever their unit.

I'd never heard of 14 Int being Badged without first going through their own Selection. According to Rennie, it was different from SAS/SBS because the roles were different.

According to Wiki(so it MUST be true! :roll: )SRR recruits go through part of the Hills phase before moving on to a more specialised Selection phase.

As far as people being Badged without doing Selection, I recall a rumour that was what happend when the Guards Parachute Company became G Squadron SAS. But I stand by to be corrected...
 

Mr Happy

LE
Moderator
#17
Weren't saying you were, but your post was pushing in that direction. Apologies for calling it too soon.

What you need is Ken Connors "Ghost Force" and Andy McNab's "16 Troop" on your shelf...

G Sqn were formed from the Guards Independent Para Sqn guys, reasons and consequences are all very interesting - Ken's book for you: http://www.amazon.co.uk/dp/0304363677/?tag=armrumser-21

"In some cases, NCO's who had gone through the rigours of Selection, given up their rank to revert to SAS trooper and then served for ten or a dozen years with the Regiment found themselves outranked by complete newcomers. All the years of sacrifice and dedication had been repaid with a swift kick in the balls"

p209.
 
#18
Mr Happy said:
Weren't saying you were, but your post was pushing in that direction. Apologies for calling it too soon.

What you need is Ken Connors "Ghost Force" and Andy McNab's "16 Troop" on your shelf...

G Sqn were formed from the Guards Independent Para Sqn guys, reasons and consequences are all very interesting - Ken's book for you: http://www.amazon.co.uk/dp/0304363677/?tag=armrumser-21

"In some cases, NCO's who had gone through the rigours of Selection, given up their rank to revert to SAS trooper and then served for ten or a dozen years with the Regiment found themselves outranked by complete newcomers. All the years of sacrifice and dedication had been repaid with a swift kick in the balls"

p209.
No worries, Mr Happy. :) Thanks for the heads up on those books.
 
#19
Fishermen was outstanding and I worked with a chap who I had reason to trust who said he was ex FRU and thought it was a good book.

Willing to stand corrected though.
 
#20
Its a bit like the RAF Regiment suddenly rebadging alongside paras and marines in the SFSG. Don't make me laugh.
 
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