The officer would chose jail over Iraq

#1
http://english.aljazeera.net/NR/exeres/89094977-CD20-46B5-A57E-A5DC26869728.htm

The US army has filed charges against an officer who refused to serve in Iraq because he believes the war there is illegal.

First Lieutenant Ehren Watada was charged on Wednesday with missing movement, contempt towards officials and conduct unbecoming an officer, the army said in a statement.

Watada called the war and US occupation of Iraq "illegal" and said participation would make him party to war crimes.
http://abcnews.go.com/US/story?id=2049982&page=1

In an interview with The Seattle Times he said: "I feel that we have been lied to and betrayed by this administration. It is the duty, the obligation of every soldier, and specifically the officers, to evaluate the legality, the truth behind every order — including the order to go to war."
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"The wholesale slaughter and mistreatment of the Iraqi people with only limited accountability is not only a terrible moral injustice but a contradiction to the Army's own law of land warfare," Watada said.
As I see I was wrong about demoralisation of American army in another thread.
 
#4
He's lucky he isn't in Russia or the bruises from the hosepipes would still be healing LOL
 
#5
I'm a huge advocate of live and let live, so I wont judge LT Watada or his opinions. LT Watada will have ample opportunity to defend his actions/beliefs at his trial. Sergey, I'm a bit of a lurker on these boards but I do enjoy your posts. I can never make up my mind as to whether you try to bait the masses with controversial topics, or whether you honestly believe in the commenst you post. Allow me a freak second to analyze your post here. One whole officer, out of how many decided that a tour in Iraq wasnt his bag and decided not to go? One whole officer out of how many I ask you? Hardly grounds to support an argument about demoralisation of the American army is it? I did read your Demoralisation thread, but it had run its course before I had time to add my two cents.
 

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#7
DummyRound said:
I'm a huge advocate of live and let live, so I wont judge LT Watada or his opinions. LT Watada will have ample opportunity to defend his actions/beliefs at his trial. Sergey, I'm a bit of a lurker on these boards but I do enjoy your posts. I can never make up my mind as to whether you try to bait the masses with controversial topics, or whether you honestly believe in the commenst you post. Allow me a freak second to analyze your post here. One whole officer, out of how many decided that a tour in Iraq wasnt his bag and decided not to go? One whole officer out of how many I ask you? Hardly grounds to support an argument about demoralisation of the American army is it? I did read your Demoralisation thread, but it had run its course before I had time to add my two cents.
You should have seen the one he did a while back on how british troops bayoneted iraqi prisoners :? . Took two different reports and came up with some bizarre new theory...good for a laugh if not your blood pressure anyway... :x :x
 
#8
I think that it comes from the crap media he has over there. He reads some rubbish, goes on line to find articles which back it up and then rushes over to ARRSE to post
 
#9
He's going to go down for up to eight years imprisonment (and Leavenworth still has hard labour on the books should it please the Court), combined with dishonourable discharge, which follows you for life as a civilian felony conviction. I strongly doubt he'll get the full eight, but there's bugger-all chance he'll be walking as a free man any time before the troops he was supposed to be leading in Iraq get back to the US. His life is screwed.

NTM
 
#10
Personally, I think the idiot should be tried for treason, not just for refusing orders. He took all that money, to get his degree and commission and now refuses to go, because the war is "illegal." Your a coward. You signed on the dotted line, you know the chances, so you go. It doesn't matter if you are against the war or not. Or if you believe in it or not.

You go, do your duty as you signed up for, then come home, get discharged, and whine all the fcuk you want. What a miserable piece of cow dung this "man" is.
 
#11
I think treason requires positive action detremental to the country, not a refusal to act.

NTM
 
#12
Phil306 said:
Personally, I think the idiot should be tried for treason, not just for refusing orders. He took all that money, to get his degree and commission and now refuses to go, because the war is "illegal." Your a coward. You signed on the dotted line, you know the chances, so you go. It doesn't matter if you are against the war or not. Or if you believe in it or not.

You go, do your duty as you signed up for, then come home, get discharged, and whine all the fcuk you want. What a miserable piece of cow dung this "man" is.
Whilst I wouldn't massively disagree with you I think the amount of balls it takes to follow this course of action shouldn't be underestimated.

He's going to be vilified and generally given a hard time by all service (and ex) service people and as C-T says he has a conviction that follows him for the rest of his life.

I usually admire people who have the guts to stand up for what they believe but in this case I'm really not sure.
 
#13
Phil306 said:
Personally, I think the idiot should be tried for treason, not just for refusing orders. He took all that money, to get his degree and commission and now refuses to go, because the war is "illegal." Your a coward. You signed on the dotted line, you know the chances, so you go. It doesn't matter if you are against the war or not. Or if you believe in it or not.

You go, do your duty as you signed up for, then come home, get discharged, and whine all the fcuk you want. What a miserable piece of cow dung this "man" is.
I agree with you! 100% What a POS!
 
#14
KGB_resident said:
http://english.aljazeera.net/NR/exeres/89094977-CD20-46B5-A57E-A5DC26869728.htm

As I see I was wrong about demoralisation of American army in another thread.
Sergey, what would have happened to an officer in the old USSR's Army, if he did such a thing?
 
#15
I'm baffled as to why people join up if they don't want to go into conflict.

Never mind jail, they should let the boyz educate them!!! Knuckle sarnie.



Remembering, of course, in the second world war, they used to shoot them!!!!


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Ex Para and proud of it too. :twisted:
 
#16
Yes, I know what he is doing does not amount to treason. My point was: IT SHOULD. He is setting a poor example for other soldiers and giving them ideas.

Yeah, we can argue until we are blue in the face about whether or not we should be fighting in Iraq. However, the fact remains we are there. And, as a soldier, he doesn't have the right to refuse. You can't pick and chose your wars, based upon what you feel is right.

The piece of cow dung is a coward.
 
#17
Phil, I'm 100% behind you. He took the money and career advantages. He owes allegiance to the flag.
 
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