The nothing to do with transgender thread

You can can 'symptoms' of Downs Syndrome. Is that a disease?

"DISEASE; a disorder of structure or function in a human, animal, or plant, especially one that produces specific symptoms or that affects a specific location and is not simply a direct result of physical injury".

According to this definition, yes.
 
If you don’t care about criminals full-stop, what’s the problem with putting blokey transexuals in women’s prisons?
Because there is a very clear difference between men and women in prison.

Very few women are mad, bad, or dangerous. Most are vulnerable and have been exploited into a life of crime and a significant number have fallen victim to sexual violence and predatory men. There are very few women lifers and most will be in for a litany of minor crime that have attracted custodial sentences of 4 years or less.

The majority of men who "identify" as women in the prison system are in for sex crimes against women, most of them violent. If you know anything about prisoners (and having worked in the system for the public sector and private sector along my career path I've met a fair few) they will do anything to f*ck the system and eek out any advantage from it they can. Violent rapist who wants easy access to vulnerable women? Easy, "identify" as a female and insist on a transfer to a women's prison and the fox is, quite literally, in the hen house. You would be an absolute fool to even think this isn't the way their minds operate.

Frankly I wouldn't put the rights of any criminal above those of a citizen while incarcerated and paying the debt to society beyond the rights to be safe and to be fed. Everything else, should, be earned when inside. Anyone believing that a vulnerable women should be made to be less safe from sexual violence inside prison than on the streets really needs to look at which way their moral compass points.
 
Right. Why does the sight of homosexuals on TV upset you - You know that gay people exist in society, right?
Straw man argument.

Go back 25 years to the US sitcoms where they started to feature lots of gay characters who were "cool" and together compared to the straight character who was an emotional wreck, life a mess, unable to hold down a relationship. Like Will & Grace for example. The comedic effect came from the uber-camp and highly promiscuous character.

It invites the perception that being gay is cool, funny, popular.

You then move it forward in degrees. The shows about gay lifestyle (Queer Eye) where there's an inverse mockery of the style of straight men (only gays are stylish).

The you start to become more graphic and push the boundaries of acceptable taste. A few programmes featuring the first gay kiss, then the first pre-watershed gay sex, then it becomes open season for graphic nudity and portrayal.

The you move it forward. McCains chip adverts showing men and women in same sex relationships kissing at tea time when young kids are likely to be watching with the message that they are families just like yours' only they have a daddy and a daddy and it's all perfectly normal. Meanwhile RuPaul's Drag Race and pretty much every programme on E! involving flagrantly gay sales staff flogging overpriced wedding dresses to women with more money than self-esteem.

In other words the nuclear family becomes, gradually through incremental propaganda, the abnormality with the perception that the homosexual/gender queer/queer is pervasive and considerably more prevalent than it really is. It is vastly over-represented, normalised, then in the classic twist of the dictatorship of relativism anyone who points this out is accused of hate, feelings are hurt, and condemnation and cancelling become the tools of the trade.

Yes gay people exist, yes they always have, but it is over represented, over emphasised, over promoted and a distorted picture is being formed.
You're only forced to watch it if you're actually forced to watch it. You could, err....not watch?

I find it pretty disheartening that in this day and age some people, like you, appear to judge the worth of others on who they fancy. You are of course more than permitted to hold those views - but I'm glad that attitudes like that are dying out.
You would have to turn your TV off at pretty much every advertising break, or every lifestyle programme, property programme, soap opera, TV drama, and probably even kids programmes now.

And again, it is a straw man argument to suggest that a moral equivalence is being drawn to the worth of any person or group simply for pointing out the obvious.
 
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So hypothetically, were she to commit a crime you’d put her in a men’s prison? I can see that going brilliantly well.


Because it makes him have a funny and confusing feeling in his winkle, I’d guess.


Ah yes, gay men of course famously hating everything fashion-related.

Yasmine Lee, pornstar.......

I shagged her about 13 years ago in New York, she was very nice and very expensive....

She played the Thai ladyboy in the movie Hangover 2....
 
If you don’t care about criminals full-stop, what’s the problem with putting blokey transexuals in women’s prisons?
I don't care and more importantly have never said I cared
 
Because there is a very clear difference between men and women in prison.

Very few women are mad, bad, or dangerous. Most are vulnerable and have been exploited into a life of crime and a significant number have fallen victim to sexual violence and predatory men. There are very few women lifers and most will be in for a litany of minor crime that have attracted custodial sentences of 4 years or less.

The majority of men who "identify" as women in the prison system are in for sex crimes against women, most of them violent. If you know anything about prisoners (and having worked in the system for the public sector and private sector along my career path I've met a fair few) they will do anything to f*ck the system and eek out any advantage from it they can. Violent rapist who wants easy access to vulnerable women? Easy, "identify" as a female and insist on a transfer to a women's prison and the fox is, quite literally, in the hen house. You would be an absolute fool to even think this isn't the way their minds operate.

Frankly I wouldn't put the rights of any criminal above those of a citizen while incarcerated and paying the debt to society beyond the rights to be safe and to be fed. Everything else, should, be earned when inside. Anyone believing that a vulnerable women should be made to be less safe from sexual violence inside prison than on the streets really needs to look at which way their moral compass points.
Bro_mush (the do-gooder of the family) is a volunteer prison visitor and was chatting to me last year about his experiences and the subject of Trans women in prison came up. He said he'd met a few and if you took 10 of them at random then 4 would be classified as 'confused', 'early developmental issues', 'narcissistic' but basically harmless and usually in prison for non-sex offences. Another 4 would be on the trans path to full womanhood, usually intelligent, harmless, and again in prison for non-sex offences. The remaining two would be full-on sex offenders, the trans lifestyle was a means to an end for said offences, and if that meant being placed in a woman's prison, then so much the better. He's not usually fazed by violent prisons, but he said that that category shouldn't be in prison, they should be in a secure psychiatric facility. And yes, he is a bleeding heart liberal.

He recalled one such con saying to him that "the penis is a lesbian sex organ", leering as he did so. Bro_mush's response was "so is the your anus"
 
Hang on, what gender does a ******* potato have at birth anyway?
Potatoes are hermaphrodite as they have male and female organs, and can self reproduce, though they are usually pollinated by Bees. Potato seeds and any of the green (above ground) parts of the plant are poisonous. Propagation of potato plants is usually done by replanting the Tubers.

In effect potatoes are Male, Female and Asexual.
 

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You would be an absolute fool to even think this isn't the way their minds operate.
I think you've cracked his problem.

Anyone believing that a vulnerable women should be made to be less safe from sexual violence inside prison than on the streets really needs to look at which way their moral compass points.
Most people would say you've made a very accurate and germane point, based on compassion, common sense and a working knowledge of the British prison system.
The more vociferous are more likely just to shriek, "Hater !"
 

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Anyone believing that a vulnerable women should be made to be less safe from sexual violence inside prison than on the streets really needs to look at which way their moral compass points.
The problem is that argument can be made for both sides.
 
Because there is a very clear difference between men and women in prison.

Very few women are mad, bad, or dangerous. Most are vulnerable and have been exploited into a life of crime and a significant number have fallen victim to sexual violence and predatory men. There are very few women lifers and most will be in for a litany of minor crime that have attracted custodial sentences of 4 years or less.

The majority of men who "identify" as women in the prison system are in for sex crimes against women, most of them violent. If you know anything about prisoners (and having worked in the system for the public sector and private sector along my career path I've met a fair few) they will do anything to f*ck the system and eek out any advantage from it they can. Violent rapist who wants easy access to vulnerable women? Easy, "identify" as a female and insist on a transfer to a women's prison and the fox is, quite literally, in the hen house. You would be an absolute fool to even think this isn't the way their minds operate.

Frankly I wouldn't put the rights of any criminal above those of a citizen while incarcerated and paying the debt to society beyond the rights to be safe and to be fed. Everything else, should, be earned when inside. Anyone believing that a vulnerable women should be made to be less safe from sexual violence inside prison than on the streets really needs to look at which way their moral compass points.

I have a few years experience of HMP, albeit some 15+ years old.
First. I assume you never had the experience of working in HMP Holloway? In my limited experience, there were quite a few (majority) of the "ladies" there who were mad, bad and dangerous.

My experience regarding men who identify as women within the prison system again is limited; there weren't many of them in my time. I never met any that were sentenced for "sex" crimes.

I will accept your assertion regarding "them" trying to f*"k the system though. Thing is, virtually every prisoner I had the privilege to meet in my 20 years had the same mind set.
Your post is an invalid generalisation; probably based on personal prejudice and assumption rather than empirical deduction.
 

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Flat earthers and the appolo man on the moon deniers, come up with some perfectly cromulant arguments. It's still bollocks though.
So transwomen are perfectly safe from sexual violence if you put them in men’s prisons then?
 

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