The new Speaker?

mercurydancer

LE
Book Reviewer
#1
Although I would have preferred Speaker Martin to have gone immediately he is going to take the long walk.

Like the press today, I'm interested in the next imcumbent.

My preference is really quite clear. Alan Beith. He has enough parliament time in to know what are the real matters and commands respect over all the parties. As an MP he has distinguished himself and particualrly important in a Speaker, he isnt afraid to challenge matters. His manner is non-confrontational too.
 

Pararegtom

LE
Book Reviewer
#3
I,d like to start a Book, I,ll put £100 in to H4Hols if jack straw gets in
 
#5
mercurydancer said:
Although I would have preferred Speaker Martin to have gone immediately he is going to take the long walk.
To a peerage and £80,000 pension.

I think I am going to be sick.

msr
 
#6
JoseyWales said:
John Stonehouse.
Shurely you mean Jeffrey Archer as he would fit in well with the other "honourable" members? Anyway from what I remember Mr Stonehouse went missing whilt going for a swim in Miami.
 

Alsacien

LE
Moderator
#8
JoseyWales said:
Pararegtom said:
I,d like to start a Book, I,ll put £100 in to H4Hols if jack straw gets in
Well,

He is touch with the common man - even his son is alleged to be a druggy.
I don't want someone who is an ex "common man".
I want someone who has, since his balls dropped, shown exceptional ability. Ability that has been tested and proven.
 
#9
msr said:
mercurydancer said:
Although I would have preferred Speaker Martin to have gone immediately he is going to take the long walk.
To a peerage and £80,000 pension.

I think I am going to be sick.

msr
According to tonight's (19 May) Newsnight, Mr Martin may remain in the Commons as an Independent until the general election. He can then let his son take up the canditature for his Glasgow seat. So where is this clean up of the "Spanish practices" that were supposed to be sorted out??? Anyway as he was elected as Mr Speaker and therefore was elected unopposed in the last general election and he then resigns, he should quit the House.
There was outcry after the banks' debacle that the bosses were rewarded for failure - so why should Mr Martin be rewarded by a peerage?
 
#10
Archimedes said:
Stonehouse did go missing, but was found, extradited and detained for some time at the pleasure of HMQ...
Shurely that was Reginald Iolanthe Perrin?
 
#11
msr said:
mercurydancer said:
Although I would have preferred Speaker Martin to have gone immediately he is going to take the long walk.
To a peerage and £80,000 pension.

I think I am going to be sick.

msr
I'd like to know the odds on that happening. I know it has been traditional but, and its a big but, he is the first Speaker to get "removed" from office since 1695. I suppose it can be argued that he has resigned (as others have before him) and therefore left post under his own steam but we all know the circumstances.

If there is to be a peerage, I would suggest that the only time Brown would dare to do it would be on his way out after the loss of the next election.

Can you imagine the fallout otherwise?
 
#12
#14
AT55 said:
JoseyWales said:
John Stonehouse.
Shurely you mean Jeffrey Archer as he would fit in well with the other "honourable" members? Anyway from what I remember Mr Stonehouse went missing whilt going for a swim in Miami.
Stonehouse was captured in Australia. The Private Eye front page had him stepping off the plane at Thiefrow with the caption, 'Which way to the beach'?
 
#15
I quite like Richard Shepherd(C) who seems like one of the good old fashioned types and is pretty untainted by any type of sleeze. Fundamentally a decent man who votes according to his conscience and has ignored many a three line whip (in Government and out of it), so a true independent spirit which would be correct for Mr Speaker. If he can keep his emotional personality in check he would be ideal.

Conversely, Frank Field(L) because I like the way he stands up to his own party and the Government if he has a bee in his bonnet. He is neither 'Old' or 'New' Labour and has always been his own man.
Frank also hates both Broon and Harperson and they hate him.
The Tories love him.
He is pretty well qualified in my opinion.

Either of these would be good but I reckon that political expediency will dictate the next Speaker will probably be a Tory.
 
#16
AT55 said:
According to tonight's (19 May) Newsnight, Mr Martin may remain in the Commons as an Independent until the general election. He can then let his son take up the canditature for his Glasgow seat. So where is this clean up of the "Spanish practices" that were supposed to be sorted out??? Anyway as he was elected as Mr Speaker and therefore was elected unopposed in the last general election and he then resigns, he should quit the House.
He wasn't elected unopposed. Usually, you get the odd independent type running against the speaker, so technically most of the recent ones have been opposed.

However, the SNP are a major party as far as Scotland goes, and as they refused to allow Martin a clear run, a case can be made to say that the electorate were given a choice, chose Martin and if he decides that he will sit in the Commons until stepping down at the next election, then it's his right to do so. On top of that, he can't be forced to become a peer, and making him resign as an MP because he chooses not to accept the seat in the Lords could be problematic.
 
#17
LancePrivateJones said:
I quite like Richard Shepherd(C) who seems like one of the good old fashioned types and is pretty untainted by any type of sleeze. Fundamentally a decent man who votes according to his conscience and has ignored many a three line whip (in Government and out of it), so a true independent spirit which would be correct for Mr Speaker. If he can keep his emotional personality in check he would be ideal.

Conversely, Frank Field(L) because I like the way he stands up to his own party and the Government if he has a bee in his bonnet. He is neither 'Old' or 'New' Labour and has always been his own man.
Frank also hates both Broon and Harperson and they hate him.
The Tories love him.
He is pretty well qualified in my opinion.

Either of these would be good but I reckon that political expediency will dictate the next Speaker will probably be a Tory.
Gordon Brown would love Field to be Speaker, since this would prevent him from criticising the multiple failings of Brown's welfare policy. While I'm sure he'd be a very good speaker, he probably offers most value to the country by being a back-bencher challenging some of the complacency about the welfare state in a way which Tories can't.

Shepherd would be very good, as would Sir George Young. Young probably should've been Speaker after Boothroyd, but Brown's manoeuvrings and Ted Heath's farcical mishandling of the selection/election debate meant that Martin was chosen. The problem facing the Tories is that the Lib Dems probably deserve a shot at the Speaker's job after an 80-year gap and there are enough Labour MPs who would refuse to vote for a speaker who's a Tory as there are a few who have said or inimtated that Martin's been nobbled by a plot by Tory snobs...(e.g. Austin Mitchell).
 
#18
msr said:
in_the_cheapseats said:
I'd like to know the odds on that happening.
As Speaker, 63-year-old Mr Martin is entitled to an annual pension of around £38,000. When his MP's pension kicks in at 65, the former sheet metal worker will be receiving around £80,000 from taxpayer-funded pension pots worth £1.4million.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...m-pension-shamed-Speaker-quit-34-seconds.html

msr
Sorry MSR - I didn't explain myself v well. I was only referring to the peerage. I know already the £80k is in the bank. :roll:
 
#19
Archimedes said:
Gordon Brown would love Field to be Speaker, since this would prevent him from criticising the multiple failings of Brown's welfare policy. While I'm sure he'd be a very good speaker, he probably offers most value to the country by being a back-bencher challenging some of the complacency about the welfare state in a way which Tories can't.

Shepherd would be very good, as would Sir George Young. Young probably should've been Speaker after Boothroyd, but Brown's manoeuvrings and Ted Heath's farcical mishandling of the selection/election debate meant that Martin was chosen. The problem facing the Tories is that the Lib Dems probably deserve a shot at the Speaker's job after an 80-year gap and there are enough Labour MPs who would refuse to vote for a speaker who's a Tory as there are a few who have said or inimtated that Martin's been nobbled by a plot by Tory snobs...(e.g. Austin Mitchell).
I see your point about Frank Field and I must admit that the wider implications of a Field Speakership totally passed me by.
You are correct, he is of more value on the back benches.
He does seem to be in the running though.

As for a Lib-Dem Speaker, I would think this unlikely unless all MP's have discovered the quality of fairness so I think this is a little unlikely.

Your point about 'nobbling' by the Tories is a valid one but as the eyes of the world are on them (as they are painfully aware), the Labour benches may wish to try to skirt further controversy and may well support a Tory Speaker.
This could rule Shepherd out because of spite but if they want a 'Honest' man in the seat I don't think they could do much better.
He seems to be a passionate Parliamentarian and a man of some integrity so I believe he could present a very strong challenge.

My 0.02p worth.
 
#20
My bet is Anne Widdecombe cos who would mess with her !

stilts
 

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