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The new Land Rover Defender is go!

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It's not (unless you edit history to conflate the Willys Jeep with the PoS Wrangler). Neither has Jeep been 'setting the standard' for a very long time - unless it's the standard for 'American-not-quite-but-almost-capable-of-being-driven-in-not-a-straight-line-off-tarmac'
I had a test drive in a Renegade. It truly is a horrible thing; cramped, uncomfortable and tacky. I’ve yet to see one on the road. Can’t see why anyone would buy one when a Ranger Raptor is the same price here.
 
I had a test drive in a Renegade. It truly is a horrible thing; cramped, uncomfortable and tacky. I’ve yet to see one on the road. Can’t see why anyone would buy one when a Ranger Raptor is the same price here.
I try . . . and, you @bobthebuilder are paid . . . to view these things objectively.

But it is suggested that the "mystique" surrounding JEEP, and in particular the "iconic" Wrangler, is similar to the "cult" surrounding Haley-Davidson motorcycles.

Objectively, there are better vehicles, and better motorbikes, than both/either of them.

But, the "afficionados" of both "brands" (I hate the use of that word, with regard to the automotive industry !!), are seduced by, buy-into, the "life style" ;) .
 
I try . . . and, you @bobthebuilder are paid . . . to view these things objectively.

But it is suggested that the "mystique" surrounding JEEP, and in particular the "iconic" Wrangler, is similar to the "cult" surrounding Haley-Davidson motorcycles.

Objectively, there are better vehicles, and better motorbikes, than both/either of them.

But, the "afficionados" of both "brands" (I hate the use of that word, with regard to the automotive industry !!), are seduced by, buy-into, the "life style" ;) .
At least Harley’s aren’t FIATs in drag
 
For completeness, also posted on the INEOS thread

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AS MITSUBISHI HAVE JUST ANNOUNCED THEY WILL WITHDRAW FROM THE UK/EU/EUROPEAN MARKET, WHY IS WHATCAR? BOTHERING?! . . . TO HELP MITSUBISHI SELL THE REMAINING STOCK MAYBE?

Published by: WHATCAR? magazine, on 05 September 2020.

Mitsubishi L200 long-term test review.

The L200 has a reputation for being a great working vehicle, but can it also be a good alternative to a large SUV for those seeking practicality and off-road prowess?


We're living with one to find out:
+ The car Mitsubishi L200 Barbarian X Double Cab Run by Max Edleston, junior photographer.
+ Why it’s here To see if a pick-up truck can be as comfortable and practical for daily life as a large SUV.
+ Needs to Offer all the space that a What Car? photographer might need, be great for long-distance trips and off-road driving, and function as a mobile office.

Mileage 489
List price £32,525
Price as tested £41,317
Test economy 32.4mpg
Official economy 36.2mpg
Options: Adventurer III commercial hardtop (£1446)
Electric Blue metallic paint (£455)
tailgate locking kit (£310) bed liner (£210)
bed mat (£134)

3 September 2020 – First impressions

When driving on the roads of Cheshire, near my family home, the chances are you’ll see one of three types of car: an SUV with enough chrome to blind an oncoming driver, a high-end sports car blasting its way round a corner, or a mile-munching saloon with a German badge on its bonnet.

A less common sight is a pick-up truck. But among Cheshire’s large farming community, the Mitsubishi L200 is one of the most sought-after models.

It’s a car that has always been present on the fringes of my life, too, because I’ve long had a keen interest in pick-up trucks and my uncle (a farmer) had a bright blue L200 when I was growing up. It amazed me back then to think how large it was inside, and how easily it could fit myself, my brother, my cousin and all of the supplies needed to run a busy farm without batting an eyelid.

Now, as you may have heard before from What Car? photographers, ours is a job where no two days are the same. One morning we could be in a dusty quarry, and the next standing up to our knees in water, all to get the pictures you see in the magazine and on the website. The point is, I need a car that can handle any terrain and that's large enough to swallow all of my gear. What’s sitting on my driveway now, then, is a new L200.

More specifically, it’s an L200 in Barbarian X trim and with an automatic gearbox. And under the bonnet is a 148bhp 2.3-litre diesel engine, which should have more than enough grunt to haul this pick-up around, even when it’s fully laden with my gear. While Barbarian X trim comes with plenty of goodies, not least a heated steering wheel and a 360deg parking camera, I have nonetheless added a few options.

The most obvious one is the £1446 hard-top cover for the load bay, which means I can keep my camera kit secure and away from prying eyes when it’s not being used. It’s early days, but the reversing camera has already proved itself to be far more than just a luxury, because parking the L200 at my local supermarket can be a challenge to say the least. Unlike the best large SUVs, pick-up trucks don’t do anything to hide their size.

The leather-trimmed seats have shown themselves to be comfortable even on long journeys, too, so I can arrive at shoot locations feeling fresh and ready to work, rather than needing 20 minutes to sort out my back and legs before getting started. Another boon is the L200’s infotainment system, which, like many modern setups, comes with Apple CarPlay smartphone mirroring.

It grants access to handy apps like Waze, allowing me to get from A to B with the minimum of fuss thanks to real-time traffic updates. True, the system has frozen up on me a couple of times recently – seemingly always when I’m in a busy town and relying on the maps to direct me. However, this might be down to the cable I'm using, so I’ll change that before blaming the truck.

During my time with the L200, I want to push it both on and off road to see how it handles different conditions and explore the different drive modes it offers. By that, I mean the various off-roading aids, including low-ratio gears and locking differentials, all designed to get me where I need to be. No matter what, I expect to get it muddy. Above all, though, I want to know whether the L200 can be just as comfortable and refined as a large SUV, while also offering that extra dose of practicality that comes with a pick-up truck, and all without breaking the bank in the process.

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For completeness, also posted on the INEOS thread

[DRIFT]

AS MITSUBISHI HAVE JUST ANNOUNCED THEY WILL WITHDRAW FROM THE UK/EU/EUROPEAN MARKET, WHY IS WHATCAR? BOTHERING?! . . . TO HELP MITSUBISHI SELL THE REMAINING STOCK MAYBE?

Published by: WHATCAR? magazine, on 05 September 2020.

Mitsubishi L200 long-term test review.

The L200 has a reputation for being a great working vehicle, but can it also be a good alternative to a large SUV for those seeking practicality and off-road prowess?


We're living with one to find out:
+ The car Mitsubishi L200 Barbarian X Double Cab Run by Max Edleston, junior photographer.
+ Why it’s here To see if a pick-up truck can be as comfortable and practical for daily life as a large SUV.
+ Needs to Offer all the space that a What Car? photographer might need, be great for long-distance trips and off-road driving, and function as a mobile office.

Mileage 489
List price £32,525
Price as tested £41,317
Test economy 32.4mpg
Official economy 36.2mpg
Options: Adventurer III commercial hardtop (£1446)
Electric Blue metallic paint (£455)
tailgate locking kit (£310) bed liner (£210)
bed mat (£134)

3 September 2020 – First impressions

When driving on the roads of Cheshire, near my family home, the chances are you’ll see one of three types of car: an SUV with enough chrome to blind an oncoming driver, a high-end sports car blasting its way round a corner, or a mile-munching saloon with a German badge on its bonnet.

A less common sight is a pick-up truck. But among Cheshire’s large farming community, the Mitsubishi L200 is one of the most sought-after models.

It’s a car that has always been present on the fringes of my life, too, because I’ve long had a keen interest in pick-up trucks and my uncle (a farmer) had a bright blue L200 when I was growing up. It amazed me back then to think how large it was inside, and how easily it could fit myself, my brother, my cousin and all of the supplies needed to run a busy farm without batting an eyelid.

Now, as you may have heard before from What Car? photographers, ours is a job where no two days are the same. One morning we could be in a dusty quarry, and the next standing up to our knees in water, all to get the pictures you see in the magazine and on the website. The point is, I need a car that can handle any terrain and that's large enough to swallow all of my gear. What’s sitting on my driveway now, then, is a new L200.

More specifically, it’s an L200 in Barbarian X trim and with an automatic gearbox. And under the bonnet is a 148bhp 2.3-litre diesel engine, which should have more than enough grunt to haul this pick-up around, even when it’s fully laden with my gear. While Barbarian X trim comes with plenty of goodies, not least a heated steering wheel and a 360deg parking camera, I have nonetheless added a few options.

The most obvious one is the £1446 hard-top cover for the load bay, which means I can keep my camera kit secure and away from prying eyes when it’s not being used. It’s early days, but the reversing camera has already proved itself to be far more than just a luxury, because parking the L200 at my local supermarket can be a challenge to say the least. Unlike the best large SUVs, pick-up trucks don’t do anything to hide their size.

The leather-trimmed seats have shown themselves to be comfortable even on long journeys, too, so I can arrive at shoot locations feeling fresh and ready to work, rather than needing 20 minutes to sort out my back and legs before getting started. Another boon is the L200’s infotainment system, which, like many modern setups, comes with Apple CarPlay smartphone mirroring.

It grants access to handy apps like Waze, allowing me to get from A to B with the minimum of fuss thanks to real-time traffic updates. True, the system has frozen up on me a couple of times recently – seemingly always when I’m in a busy town and relying on the maps to direct me. However, this might be down to the cable I'm using, so I’ll change that before blaming the truck.

During my time with the L200, I want to push it both on and off road to see how it handles different conditions and explore the different drive modes it offers. By that, I mean the various off-roading aids, including low-ratio gears and locking differentials, all designed to get me where I need to be. No matter what, I expect to get it muddy. Above all, though, I want to know whether the L200 can be just as comfortable and refined as a large SUV, while also offering that extra dose of practicality that comes with a pick-up truck, and all without breaking the bank in the process.

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We looked at 4 different pickup twin cabs for Cambodia a few years ago. The L200, the Ford, the Nissan and the Toyota Hilux.

We went with the Hilux because it had better resale value there.

The L200 sounded like it was powered by a square wave generator running on chip shop fat. Dreadful.

The only thing worse was the Sanyyong.
 
We looked at 4 different pickup twin cabs for Cambodia a few years ago. The L200, the Ford, the Nissan and the Toyota Hilux.

We went with the Hilux because it had better resale value there.

The L200 sounded like it was powered by a square wave generator running on chip shop fat. Dreadful.

The only thing worse was the Sanyyong.
You’ve obviously never driven an LDV!
 
Not (yet) included on the AUTOCAR magazine’s on-line version (to COPY and PASTE), so I have typed-in the following . . . because you’re worth it !!

Also posted on the INEOS thread.


Published by: AUTOCAR magazine (page 15), issue dated 16 September 2020.

Jimny back as a van . . .

THE SUZUKI JIMNY has returned to the UK market – but only as a commercial vehicle. The small 4x4 was removed from sale as a passenger car due to the adverse effect it had on the brand’s fleet average CO2 emissions, but by homologating it as a van it is subject to a less stringent EU target CO2 figure.

Mechanically, it’s unchanged, but the rear two seats have been removed for a flat, 863-litre load bay with a central partition to stop cargo (and dogs !! ), moving into the front. The Jimny also retains the same safety systems as before. Prices have yet to be revealed, but previously the model started at £15,370.

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Also posted on the INEOS thread . . .

Seemingly ONLY speculation, but it would confirm what has already been said on these threads.


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Published by: Jacob Oliva, motor1.com, on 08 October 2020.

The iconic nameplate is allegedly entering its final model year.

Toyota patrons and SUV fans, drop what you're doing because we've got news for you. Reportedly, the Japanese automaker is killing off the Land Cruiser soon in the U.S. This old SUV will apparently join countless other models that aren't making it past the new couple of model year.

However, take this with a healthy dash of salt or put the whole canister even, as nothing has been confirmed at this point.

The news came from Motor Authority, which cited a now-deleted post on IH8MUD.com – a website and forum for everything Land Cruiser. According to the post, Toyota will discontinue the Land Cruiser nameplate after the 2021 model year, while the Lexus LX will live on but with a turbo V6 instead of the current 5.7-liter V8.

Motor Authority also cited a dealer source confirming the rumor, who said that "there's no illusion it's coming back and it's completely dead for the moment." The source wishes to remain anonymous for obvious reasons.

The same source also told the publication that for the 2021 model year, the Land Cruiser Heritage Edition will return with a third row. This special LC was introduced at the Chicago Auto Show in 2019 for the 2020 model year, with a price tag that hovers around the $80,000 mark.

While the rumor is completely unconfirmed by the automaker at the time of this writing, it isn't quite unfounded based on the Land Cruiser's age. Of note, the current J200 generation has been around since 2007, with no concrete reports of a successor. It made do with only numerous facelifts to keep the styling fresh and attractive for the SUV-hungry market.

We'll know more if this report holds true in the months or years to come but for what it's worth, we sure do hope we got this one wrong for the iconic nameplate's sake.

Source: Motor Authority.

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