The new Land Rover Defender is go!

Unusual. History of coolant problems?

Cheap 300's aren't hard to find though
Not really it started getting warm quicker than was normal and ran a bit warmer ( half not lower 3rd) but not over heating

It also lost some coolant - but it stayed between full and empty and only lost it until it reached a level at which point it would stay there for months - I attributed that to a suspected radiator issue (full of crap**) - had it kept pushing out water I would have been looking at other things.

It would appear its been limping along with this crack for a year or 2 and a hard days off roading and difficult recovery of a bogged in UMM fatally weakened the head gasket.

Which 2 weeks later when I next moved the truck let go in the spectacular - WW2 Destroyer laying smoke screen style.

**Fash fash gets every where - then theres sinking it in bogs -flooded rivers - I would be surprised if half my radiator isn't solid with shit
 
Mostly urban legend.

I've had 24 Range Rover classics, half a dozen Discovery 1 & 2's the same of Defenders and 8 or 10 Series. I even had one L322 which was the best and worst car I've ever had, often on the same day.

In 30 odd years of old shit heap Land Rover's I've failed to get home twice. Most of them cost me less than a grand, nearly all of them made me a profit.
All of them were abused pretty badly.

I still have a Discovery TD5, when I replace that it will be with another old heap of shite Land Rover
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I myself cannot speak because im dead - having traversed a desert in a Landrover - I died because theyre shit and cant do it and my makeshift grave stone has - I would have lived if I had a Toyota
 
On thqt note I need an engine block for a 300TDI

I dont know if I should be pissed its cracked or feeling smug because I was right - Ive been saying that's the problem for 6 months - Nobody would believe me
Core plugs rot out on 300tdi`s , usually the one at the back of the block in the bell housing :( , heads rarely last above 100k without a head gasket and skim, they also crack frequently , a good telltale is pressurised hoses , rock solid whilst running , if this happens dont travel far.
 
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I myself cannot speak because im dead - having traversed a desert in a Landrover - I died because theyre shit and cant do it and my makeshift grave stone has - I would have lived if I had a Toyota
which explains why Toyota wiped out Landrovers markets globally.

the new ‘Defender’ isn’t a Landrover, it’s a softroader built tough for The school run
 
But I agree, ECUs rarely go wrong, but on a LandRover, anything is possible - cf the crap design of the TD5 engine that allowed engine oil to get into the main ECU because the wiring loom to the injectors passed through the cylinder head....
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Needless to say that this does not do the electronics any good at all and causes a misfire.

I am willing to bet the the Brummies have installed some similar excellent design features on the new Defender.....
That reminds me of another bit of brilliant Brummie design, the location of the thermostat on the KV6 petrol engine. This was in the middle of the "V" in a plastic housing that was connected to the pump (and other parts of the engine) by a plastic tube held in place by plastic clips.
All of these myriad potential leaks were then almost completely hidden from view by the inlet manifold, the coils and a layer of plastic garnish. To do something as simple as change a thermostat is half a day's work.
 
Core plugs rot out on 300tdi`s , usually the one at the back of the block in the bell housing :( , heads rarely last above 100k without a head gasket and skim, they also crack frequently , a good telltale is pressurised hoses , rock solid whilst running , if this happens dont travel far.
1st thing I checked when it jetted some water they were fine

In hindsight - it would appear that there was some equilibrium between the leak and water quantity - fair play to it - the problems been there years and its plodded along merrily.
 
which explains why Toyota wiped out Landrovers markets globally.

the new ‘Defender’ isn’t a Landrover, it’s a softroader built tough for The school run
I think I've heard that epithet about every LR built since the 300Tdi's came out. Everyone said that the TD5's would be no good as there were too many electronics and they wouldn't perform when the going got tough....

The same about the TDV6, The TDV8, the L322 RR's were no good off road, the Disco 3's & 4's wouldn't perform either....

The haters gotta hate....
 
I think I've heard that epithet about every LR built since the 300Tdi's came out. Everyone said that the TD5's would be no good as there were too many electronics and they wouldn't perform when the going got tough....

The same about the TDV6, The TDV8, the L322 RR's were no good off road, the Disco 3's & 4's wouldn't perform either....

The haters gotta hate....
So they were right then.
 
which explains why Toyota wiped out Landrovers markets globally.
No That was down to
1) Toyota including Landcruisers in its aid packages - so all aid agencies had them - which meant parts were available and locals used them.
2) Lack of investment foresight and updating a typical british malaise.

the new ‘Defender’ isn’t a Landrover, it’s a softroader built tough for The school run
Is it - I completely agree its gone high tech and not the utilitarian easy fix vehicle beloved of off roaders and we all know the bulk will be used as soft roaders - But it was inevitable due to regulations and customer requirements.

I have to say the few reviews ive seen rate it as a very credible off road vehicle - but obviously as with every other subject you are privy to insights unavailable to us mere mortals and so I shall accept your advice on this matter above all of those who've actually seen it in the flesh.

Look why dont you just add if its British / European its shit - to your sig block - because that's pretty much your position on every subject regardless of this weeks call sign.
 
Not that big a deal, replacement is about 40 quid.
I've ever had one that needed it. My current TD5 has had a really odd rattle since I bought it 15,000 miles ago. Goes fine, sounds shite, I even took the cylinder head off in the summer to look for it. Nothing wrong that I can find anywhere. Just sounds crap

I love TD5's
I've never broken a TD5 engine and I've abused lots of them horrifically for years.

My old TD5 Discovery will go places the Japanese fear to tread, I full expect it to do so for years to come.
The only downside to it is the wife hates it and she'll proably nag me in to replacing it long before I want to.
The engine on mine was great too.
Except for having to replace injector seals.
I didn't suffer oil in the ECU, nor the normal fuel pressure regulator leaks, nor the equally usual fuel cooler leaks, nor the water pump failures.

But I did suffer:
Suspension compressor,
Compressor valve block
Cracked front springs
Rotten brake pipes
4x door actuator failures out of 5
ABS sensor failure
Swivel seal failure
Steering box fluid leak
N rubber bushes where N>>1
Front shock absorbers
Rain water leaks
Various other bits I've forgotten

The year after I sold it, it failed the MOT on a cracked chassis

The basic engine is fine, great even, other than being a noisy bugger with negligible torque under 1800rpm. But it will run forever, which is why many of them have been converted and put into boats.
 
The basic engine is fine, great even, other than being a noisy bugger with negligible torque under 1800rpm. But it will run forever, which is why many of them have been converted and put into boats.
In which case, handling may improve?:







( I'll get me coat)
 
Look why dont you just add if its British / European its shit - to your sig block - because that's pretty much your position on every subject regardless of this weeks call sign.
Ahhh, but you're forgetting that (in his mind) this crapness only happens because of our EU membership.

Immediately after Brexit, all UK-made goods will instantly become worldbeaters, and the globe will beat a path to our door to revel in our high-quality vehicular offerings...
 

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From what I've managed to gather about the G-Wagon as an onlooker over the years, they are a bit of a niche choice as the parts are quite expensive, the dealer network is poor (it's Mercedes, so...), and the initial purchase price is pretty steep. Some of the figures quoted on Top Gear for the hotter ones made me blanch just a bit. That said, they are pretty sturdy and are still used by a lot of military units, so there are some kudos there.
A solid vehicle which has a following but not cheap if anything goes titsup.

Bit like pukka Land Rovers and Land Cruisers: good ones can stay in family ownership for decades.

Older ones on market can be cursed by the knobhead previous owner syndrome.

Never, ever, buy one (or indeed any 4x4 esp. with an auto transmission) that has been used for serious towing. Money pit beckons.
 
Given that the current highly expensive RangeRover and siblings are frequently slated as being the most unreliable new cars money can buy, I can't see the new Defender being any better. I'd buy a LandRover were it built by Toyota....

It will be interesting to see what Jim Ratcliffe's Projekt Grenadier comes up with as he has stated that it will be close in concept to the original Series Landies.
 
It will be interesting to see what Jim Ratcliffe's Projekt Grenadier comes up with as he has stated that it will be close in concept to the original Series Landies.
I read very recently, that JLR had been in court over the shape of the real Defender /Mk1 etc. I believe it involved Ratcliffe and his Grenadier project. JLR lost the case.
 

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For me No.1 task would be under vehicle looking for any signs of air suspension that ceases to function (and car shuts down) if failure occurs, even if just of a poxy sensor, and one that then can't be replaced and car reactivated without recourse to laptop, specialist equipment and software.

(Yes JLR, looking at you.)

Sold as a "off road" offering sold globaly and it can't be fixed to a limp home standard with spanners and basic kit available to any bush mechanic ?

You lot really can FO&D
 
which explains why Toyota wiped out Landrovers markets globally.

the new ‘Defender’ isn’t a Landrover, it’s a softroader built tough for The school run
Landrover never really had a global market. Annual Defender production never reached 30000 units and was often down around 15000 units. That’s a niche product, not a
global product. From the early 60s Australians bought more Landcruisers than Landrover sold cars worldwide.

It was Toyota that made the global 4x4 market, not LR.
 
Given that the current highly expensive RangeRover and siblings are frequently slated as being the most unreliable new cars money can buy, I can't see the new Defender being any better. I'd buy a LandRover were it built by Toyota....

It will be interesting to see what Jim Ratcliffe's Projekt Grenadier comes up with as he has stated that it will be close in concept to the original Series Landies.
Honestly, if I were TATA, I would approach Toyota to takeover JLR (while retaining some % share), just to improve their build quality and practises. And stick a Toyota/ Lexus badge on some of them for certain markets. Would do good for all sides.
 

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