The MSM - Are they scum sucking leeches or beyond reproach?

Are they scum sucking leeches or beyond reproach?

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You are correct in that official DSMA Notices, requested via a committee, are voluntary but there is an implicit threat attached which a News Editor would be unwise to ignore. Depending on the severity of the potential breach of security, this can range from a 'blacklist' from certain official information outlets to a threat of exclusion from the Honours list. I kid you not.

Individuals, such as citizen journalists, would probably get a visit from the one of the Specialist Crime Directorates (SDC8?) and then a sudden 'coincidental' microscopic interest in their affairs by HMRC.

In fact official 'DSMA notices' have been applied very recently. I'm aware of one in particular.

The expression 'D-Notice' nowadays applies to any quasi-official strong arming of an editor, wether it be regarding a very serious potential political scandal or something a Royal has got up to, in other words matters that would be unlikely to appear on the DSMA committee's agenda.
If journalists use the expression "D-Notice" in such circumstances, that's up to them but they would be misleading the public if they actually published such an expression.

The following is from the DSMA's website "Frequently asked Questions section"

DSMA-Notices are not issued for particular incidents. The are five standing DSMA-Notices which the DSMA-Notice Secretary might on occasion draw to an editor’s’ attention.
 
If journalists use the expression "D-Notice" in such circumstances, that's up to them but they would be misleading the public if they actually published such an expression.

The following is from the DSMA's website "Frequently asked Questions section"

DSMA-Notices are not issued for particular incidents. The are five standing DSMA-Notices which the DSMA-Notice Secretary might on occasion draw to an editor’s’ attention.
I'm sure it may mislead the public however the public could probably do what you did and Google it.

The fact remains that it is possible for the powers the be to put pressure on an Editor of a Newspaper of a Broadcast News Channel to 'persuade' them not to pursue a certain line of enquiry. Which was my original point.

Despite what their website says, or your understanding of it, they are issued for particular incidents. The five notices are just categories that all merge into each other in practice.

The principle of a Defence notice was, and is a fudge. It relies on the programme editor to do the right thing. This is usually not a problem as the likes of Dacre (exITN), de Pear (C4) or Riley (Sky) will either be beholden to someone who doesn't want to rock the boat or they themselves don't want to preclude future advancement.
There are obvious flaws of course.

Inducements and threats are not exactly uncommon and can be effective, especially when the judiciary is involved: I'm sure you would be surprised at the number of 'in camera' court cases that take place in the UK.
 
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I'm sure it may mislead the public however the public could probably do what you did and Google it.

Inducements and threats are not exactly uncommon and can be effective, especially when the judiciary is involved: I'm sure you would be surprised at the number of 'in camera' court cases that take place in the UK.
1. I didn't need to Google it. I simply went to the DSMA's website. I accept that most members of the public have probably never heard of the committee, and are thus likely to believe accusations of "D Notices" being flung about.

2. I might well be surprised at the number of "in camera" court cases that take place in the UK. Do you have a figure?
 
1. I didn't need to Google it. I simply went to the DSMA's website. I accept that most members of the public have probably never heard of the committee, and are thus likely to believe accusations of "D Notices" being flung about.

2. I might well be surprised at the number of "in camera" court cases that take place in the UK. Do you have a figure?

1. How did you find the Website without a search engine? (I use the term 'Google' as I would 'Hoover')

2. If I did publish the number here I'd probably get an intensive, intrusive and painful VAT inspection.
(also I don't know exactly how many but I'm sure I'd be surprised too)

3. Entreaties to Editors to desist are flung about.

4. Why on earth are you arguing here when you could be taking in the bracing sea air at the Blackgang?
(My favourite UK Coastal Paragliding spot.)
 
look at the fcuking state of this:
Leftist state sanctioned harrassment


I'm not a massive fan of spiked or Brendan O'Neill, but I like to listen/read (sensible) things that challenge my view point. The spiked podcast is sometimes quite interesting and sometimes I find myself agreeing.
See below
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Oh I wonder why #scummedia is trending on Twitter?. And now you have Piers Morgan presented as a darling of free speech and good media conduct. Does NO ONE REMEMBER THE LEVESON INQUIRY AND MORGAN GIVING EVIDENCE!
 

Cold_Collation

LE
Book Reviewer
look at the fcuking state of this:
Leftist state sanctioned harrassment


I'm not a massive fan of spiked or Brendan O'Neill, but I like to listen/read (sensible) things that challenge my view point. The spiked podcast is sometimes quite interesting and sometimes I find myself agreeing.
See below
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Oh I wonder why #scummedia is trending on Twitter?. And now you have Piers Morgan presented as a darling of free speech and good media conduct. Does NO ONE REMEMBER THE LEVESON INQUIRY AND MORGAN GIVING EVIDENCE!
Piers Morgan has been taken up as a truth-seeking crusader by many of those on the Left that I know. They've completely forgotten how just a few weeks ago he was 'Tory scum'. It's laughable.
 

3ToedSloth

Old-Salt
When I was growing up we had the news at 6, the news at 10, and an occasional bulletin if something big happened. Now, the MSM are competing with twitter and need material to fill the 24 hour rolling news coverage so little stories get blown up out of proportion and then are quickly forgotten and replaced by the next "crisis" within hours.

My mum keeps the news channels on all the time - it always feels like the world is coming to an end in that house and she is terrified of absolutely everything. These reports are psychologically designed to be addictive and emotionally charged so they take up space in your head and you feel the need to keep checking all day. But not that much of real importance that impacts our lives happens every day. I'm looking at the BBC news website now and their biggest story is that some junior Scottish minister that I've never heard of before (and never will hear of again) has resigned because of Dominic Cummings - who cares? Their second biggest story is fears that shoppers "may be reluctant" to return once the lockdown is ended - well when they've got some hard data then maybe I'll be interested.

Personally, I'm happy to take a quick look at the daily headlines so I'm not completely in the dark and then get on with enjoying my day and being productive.
 
1. How did you find the Website without a search engine? (I use the term 'Google' as I would 'Hoover')

2. If I did publish the number here I'd probably get an intensive, intrusive and painful VAT inspection.
(also I don't know exactly how many but I'm sure I'd be surprised too)

3. Entreaties to Editors to desist are flung about.

4. Why on earth are you arguing here when you could be taking in the bracing sea air at the Blackgang?
(My favourite UK Coastal Paragliding spot.)
1. Take the Hoover point. But I knew which site I wanted.
2. Don't worry, they know your grid reference already.
3. And not just from officialdom. Editors and journalists generally have always received entreaties not to publish - or to publish - from defendants, old buddies, fellow club members etc. Plus threats from time to time, sometimes physical or otherwise (such as from advertisers suggesting they might remove their custom).
4. Arguing? Not so. We are simply agreeing to differ, like the vicar and the catholic priest who got into an unseemly scuffle on a point of theology. Both were knackered, and the vicar was the first to suggest that as men of the cloth they should simply agree to differ. The priest agreed. "To be sure, that's roight. You worship God in your way and I'll worship Him in His."

Blackgang is a great spot, although the viewpoint car park was pretty crowded yesterday as we drove past. Ice cream and hot dog van, but the customers did seem to be observing the distancing guidelines. Paragliding? Not so sure at my age. I tried hang gliding once but I had to give it up as the rope was hurting my neck. :)
 

Cold_Collation

LE
Book Reviewer
When I was growing up we had the news at 6, the news at 10, and an occasional bulletin if something big happened. Now, the MSM are competing with twitter and need material to fill the 24 hour rolling news coverage so little stories get blown up out of proportion and then are quickly forgotten and replaced by the next "crisis" within hours.

My mum keeps the news channels on all the time - it always feels like the world is coming to an end in that house and she is terrified of absolutely everything. These reports are psychologically designed to be addictive and emotionally charged so they take up space in your head and you feel the need to keep checking all day. But not that much of real importance that impacts our lives happens every day. I'm looking at the BBC news website now and their biggest story is that some junior Scottish minister that I've never heard of before (and never will hear of again) has resigned because of Dominic Cummings - who cares? Their second biggest story is fears that shoppers "may be reluctant" to return once the lockdown is ended - well when they've got some hard data then maybe I'll be interested.

Personally, I'm happy to take a quick look at the daily headlines so I'm not completely in the dark and then get on with enjoying my day and being productive.
There's a reason why Private Eye has a spoof reporter called Phil Space.

Terry Wogan, of all people, had quite a lot to say about rolling news. The point is that a lot of it simply isn't news.

I think the most absurd example I ever saw was once when I was in the gym. It was during Michael Jackson's last case for kiddy-fiddling. The same non-event part of that story that day was shown as 'Breaking...' by Sky for over an hour.
 

Offa

War Hero
When I was growing up we had the news at 6, the news at 10, and an occasional bulletin if something big happened. Now, the MSM are competing with twitter and need material to fill the 24 hour rolling news coverage so little stories get blown up out of proportion and then are quickly forgotten and replaced by the next "crisis" within hours.

My mum keeps the news channels on all the time - it always feels like the world is coming to an end in that house and she is terrified of absolutely everything. These reports are psychologically designed to be addictive and emotionally charged so they take up space in your head and you feel the need to keep checking all day. But not that much of real importance that impacts our lives happens every day. I'm looking at the BBC news website now and their biggest story is that some junior Scottish minister that I've never heard of before (and never will hear of again) has resigned because of Dominic Cummings - who cares? Their second biggest story is fears that shoppers "may be reluctant" to return once the lockdown is ended - well when they've got some hard data then maybe I'll be interested.

Personally, I'm happy to take a quick look at the daily headlines so I'm not completely in the dark and then get on with enjoying my day and being productive.
Hit the nail(s) on the head there, 3Toed. Much of the fear funk and manufactured hate is directly the result of the scare-mongering media - which should accept its responsibility for contributing to the paralysis of the country.
 
When I was growing up we had the news at 6, the news at 10, and an occasional bulletin if something big happened. Now, the MSM are competing with twitter and need material to fill the 24 hour rolling news coverage so little stories get blown up out of proportion and then are quickly forgotten and replaced by the next "crisis" within hours.

My mum keeps the news channels on all the time - it always feels like the world is coming to an end in that house and she is terrified of absolutely everything. These reports are psychologically designed to be addictive and emotionally charged so they take up space in your head and you feel the need to keep checking all day. But not that much of real importance that impacts our lives happens every day. I'm looking at the BBC news website now and their biggest story is that some junior Scottish minister that I've never heard of before (and never will hear of again) has resigned because of Dominic Cummings - who cares? Their second biggest story is fears that shoppers "may be reluctant" to return once the lockdown is ended - well when they've got some hard data then maybe I'll be interested.

Personally, I'm happy to take a quick look at the daily headlines so I'm not completely in the dark and then get on with enjoying my day and being productive.
as an old acd bold once very wisely told me..”leave it 24 hours and they will have found something else to be bothered about”

the media have the attention span of an amoeba
 
Hit the nail(s) on the head there, 3Toed. Much of the fear funk and manufactured hate is directly the result of the scare-mongering media - which should accept its responsibility for contributing to the paralysis of the country.
Sadly the media only accept "responsibility", when it is there favour. That 24 Hour rolling news has certainly, changed how 'news' is presented, and not for the best.

Prior to that one only saw newscasters outside of news reports was on Morecambe and Wise Christmas specials or the like, perhaps I am showing my age but even when doing such light hearted pieces they, managed to entertain without undermining there roles as professional newscasters, nor did they get involved in political comedy.

Interestedly I just tried to see if there was a clip on YouTube of the 1977 Christmas show, where they performed "There Ain't Nothing Like a Dame" skit. But they all seem to be blocked by the BBC.
 
Sadly the media only accept "responsibility", when it is there favour. That 24 Hour rolling news has certainly, changed how 'news' is presented, and not for the best.

Prior to that one only saw newscasters outside of news reports was on Morecambe and Wise Christmas specials or the like, perhaps I am showing my age but even when doing such light hearted pieces they, managed to entertain without undermining there roles as professional newscasters, nor did they get involved in political comedy.

Interestedly I just tried to see if there was a clip on YouTube of the 1977 Christmas show, where they performed "There Ain't Nothing Like a Dame" skit. But they all seem to be blocked by the BBC.
 

3ToedSloth

Old-Salt
as an old acd bold once very wisely told me..”leave it 24 hours and they will have found something else to be bothered about”

the media have the attention span of an amoeba
Surely it's more to do with the public? How many people can remember what the big story of the day was a week ago? The public is being played.

Peston is reportedly paid more than £500k and Laura Kuennsberg more than £250k. It's all about ratings. The real and valuable in-depth investigative journalism (which we need because this isn't North Korea) is suffering because of it.
 

Grownup_Rafbrat

LE
Book Reviewer
as an old acd bold once very wisely told me..”leave it 24 hours and they will have found something else to be bothered about”

the media have the attention span of an amoeba
The metaphorical 'tomorrow's fish and chip wrapper '.
 
as an old acd bold once very wisely told me..”leave it 24 hours and they will have found something else to be bothered about”

the media have the attention span of an amoeba
It's us, the public that have the attention span of an amoeba.

Within news circles Rolling News is known as 'never wrong for long'.
 
News broadcasters seem to be incredibly lacking in self-awareness. There was a comedy parody of the genre many years ago called 'The Day Today' co-written, I think, by Armando Iannucci and Chris Morris. It was nonsensical and yet brutally accurate at the same time. The intense presenters, the swirling computer graphics and important music and all the other bits of business.

Apparently it was cult viewing within the industry, but they must have seen it as an homage rather than a piss-take because, presentationally, nothing much seems to have changed in the intervening 20+ years. If anything, it seems even more over the top.
 

3ToedSloth

Old-Salt
Reading some of the posts above, you'd think that the media were required to take some form of Hippocratic oath to never tell a lie. Ultimately, the news is a product/service that we are being sold. So if you think Peston is a cünt then do all you can to convince others to get his viewing figures down to zero and he'll disappear pretty quickly.

I presume that there is some key performance indicator that teams (and individual members of each team) need to maximise so that they keep their job/get salary increase or promotion and it's got nothing to do with shining the beacon of light into the dark recesses of corruption. I don't think any of these people are intrinsically evil as it's individuals trying to make the best living they can for themselves and their families - people sacrifice their morals and ethics in every industry.

The public gets the media they deserve.
 

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