'The MoD would rather let Ben die than pay for him to recover'

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'The MoD would rather let Ben die than pay for him to recover': Mother of hero soldier Ben Parkinson tells how her son refused to give up against all the odds | Mail Online


'The MoD would rather let Ben die than pay for him to recover': Mother of hero soldier claims his own resolve - and not 'careless' Government - helped him to walk again

'I suppose our view of the MoD is that there is very little care for the soldier as a person. The soldiers lives have never been worth a great deal.'



A absolute damning indictment, the MOD should hang their heads in shame
 
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Based on my own experiences in the early 80s the attitude of the medical professionals can be rather off. If I'd listened to them I'd have been stuck in a wheelchair and out after only 4 years in. I went on to do a further 10 before that injury got the better of me.

It's not the MoD but the actual people treating the patient. YMMV. I reckon this is a non-story.
 
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Based on my own experiences in the early 80s the attitude of the medical professionals can be rather off. If I'd listened to them I'd have been stuck in a wheelchair and out after only 4 years in. I went on to do a further 10 before that injury got the better of me.

It's not the MoD but the actual people treating the patient. YMMV. I reckon this is a non-story.
I did listen to them and let them perform multiple surgical procedure which finished of any career I'd have had and still 20 years later I'm dealing with the repercussions of it. Still musnt grumble, I gets a pension and a blue badge out of it.
 
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Quite right. I mean the mod hasnt spent millions investing in first class recovery and aid for people injured has it?
The problem we have is that our kit is almost too good now. Wounds that would kill someone 15-20 years ago can now be survived. We are in a new workd of trying to work out how to provide the best possible life long care to peopke like ben, and we're learning on the job. I have incredible respect for him, but the idea that mod (or rather the army) doesnt care is so far off the mark its scary.
 
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Quite right. I mean the mod hasnt spent millions investing in first class recovery and aid for people injured has it?
The problem we have is that our kit is almost too good now. Wounds that would kill someone 15-20 years ago can now be survived. We are in a new workd of trying to work out how to provide the best possible life long care to peopke like ben, and we're learning on the job. I have incredible respect for him, but the idea that mod (or rather the army) doesnt care is so far off the mark its scary.
Maybe, but it can seem like that at times. I don't pretend to have the first idea about what Ben and his mother have been through over the last 6 years. I've had enough contact with the AMS to know that at times it does feel like people just don't care, and that they'd be happy to just fob you off (or PAP10 you in todays Army) rather than try and give you effective treatment.
 
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Whenever a thread mentions the MoD, invariably Jim30 pops up almost immediately to put the MoD [civvy] side of things in a good light. Am I alone in thinking that [even when he is in Afghan locale] that he the MoD's [civvy] official or semi-official placator? Is this a paid position? [As he seems to be monitoring ARRSE all the time] ..... or is his job so easy that it requires so little time and effort to fulfill? I feel we ought to know.
 
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Attitudes towards injured servicemen has certainly changed for the better since my day 1971/76. The shame is that it was public outcry that bought about these changes. I've learnt that large government organisations don't feel shame or guilt. As for Ben good luck son. You're a true inspiration.
 
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]Attitudes towards injured servicemen has certainly changed for the better since my day 1971/76[/B]. The shame is that it was public outcry that bought about these changes. I've learnt that large government organisations don't feel shame or guilt. As for Ben good luck son. You're a true inspiration.
And mine '68 - '90. So they don't tel you to bugger off and gargle with salt water these days for the sore throat you get with glandular fever? That's encouraging! :)
 
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Exile
No its not a job. Its a desire to see balance for people who always get slated, even when its not their fault. Although as someone with a part time Commission, which means i'm reserve /cs untermensch, i've done tours in rig and civvies, so i'd like to think i've sufficient relevant first hand experience to comment.
 
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Whenever a thread mentions the MoD, invariably Jim30 pops up almost immediately to put the MoD [civvy] side of things in a good light. Am I alone in thinking that [even when he is in Afghan locale] that he the MoD's [civvy] official or semi-official placator? Is this a paid position? [As he seems to be monitoring ARRSE all the time] ..... or is his job so easy that it requires so little time and effort to fulfill? I feel we ought to know.
The only thing annoying about him is his pompous blog, but he can be forgiven that and the fact that he's a 'STAB' Matelot. In fairness, he does provide a balance on opinions as to the 'ghastly faceless people at the MoD' whom we all love to hate. Most of our contacts with 'civil servants' however come in the shape of some SSOs and other MSF (not all) whose conduct does little to enhance our opinion, in particularly when they are the face of the MoD within Garrison. Little do these plebs care, that by trying to re-enact their previous management skills developed over 22 years or more, they create the impression that all CS are cnuts. Joe Squaddie doesn't feel the need to look any farther when he encounters clowns like the SSO in Bielefeld for example (if he's still there). It's not the nation's favourite Government Department, but there are good amongst it's ranks. Sadly, we don't see many of them as they tend to operate in the background and we tend to judge people on what we see....and read in the Daily Mail.
 
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Exile
No its not a job. Its a desire to see balance for people who always get slated, even when its not their fault. Although as someone with a part time Commission, which means i'm reserve /cs untermensch, i've done tours in rig and civvies, so i'd like to think i've sufficient relevant first hand experience to comment.
Just for clarity - you are STAB/cs untermensch. Those of us who are on the reserve list don't generally like being lumped in with the TA!

Are you still "in rig" or just playing on the operational experience line?
 
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Oh the joy of being stuck in cardiff and bored. I am most definitely still active, although not in anything as vulgar as the ta, although i do need to amend my profile at some point to update it.
 
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I am TA AMS (not that I think it makes any difference) and during my tour at Role 3 in Bastion we worked relentlessly for every case, regardless of severity of injury or prognosis. In fact, I have never worked so hard in my life.

I really hope someone on here will say the same about care back in blighty.
 

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I really hope someone on here will say the same about care back in blighty.
Okay....I've met Ben P. at DMRC Headley Court.....where he has received extensive treatment for severe injuries....it is a tribute to Ben's courage and determination that he has got this far with his rehabilitation....it is also, please Daily Mail, a tribute to the long,patient,selfless hard work put in with Ben over many many hours by the physios, prosthetists and others at Headley.

Without the courage and selfless fortitude of his comrades who did the right thing at the point of injury , the pilots who flew him out of the firing line , the MERT team who kept him alive long enough to reach Bastion, the professionalism of the DMS surgeons ( both Regular and Reservist) who kept him alive on the operating table, the CCAST crew who safely medevac'd him back to the UK, the skill and compassion with which he was treated at Queen Elizabeth Hospital Birmingham by both Service and civilian doctors and FINALLY the best part of two years treatment at DMRC, Ben would also not be where he is today.

He would be a name on a memorial.


Happy Armed Forces Day - if you are entitled to a Veteran's badge - wear it with pride.

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Quite right. I mean the mod hasnt spent millions investing in first class recovery and aid for people injured has it?
The problem we have is that our kit is almost too good now. Wounds that would kill someone 15-20 years ago can now be survived. We are in a new workd of trying to work out how to provide the best possible life long care to peopke like ben, and we're learning on the job. I have incredible respect for him, but the idea that mod (or rather the army) doesnt care is so far off the mark its scary.
Not entering pointless conflicts on behalf of the USA perhaps? Prevention being better than the cure...
 

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Huzza - thanks folks....CHECK THE SIG !

( well done Guzz-John....the boys will appreciate EVEN more than me !)
 
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This story by the Telegraph is a reflection on the system when Ben as first injured. Unfortunately nothing is perfect and as much as people may try it takes time and experience to get it right. Even now some things aren't right, I've exploded on a number of occassions at Headley Court to get issues addressed, but there is always someone who becomes a weak link in the chain.

Let it be said though that the greater majority of personnel who work at Headley are awesome and work very hard, but you have to remember that they are also on a learning curve, recoverable injuries are one thing, but each Complex Trauma case is pretty unique and provides the teams it's own difficulties.

As for the other clinicians, you'll find no one works harder to save people, Ben's injuries were so serious because of his brain injury. I was ripped apart by the blast, had I been injured 6 months earlier I would not have survived, even then it was touch and go and there was a debate amongst Doctors over when some one is too seriously injured to warrant a life worth saving and going to the efforts they do.

I think the reason for the story is that the telegraph require a page filler, it's simply out of date, but none the less true of how Ben was treated. Unfortunately some people have to endure the hardships to improve things for others, Ben's done it, so have others.

Diane Derney has fought very hard for Ben and all injured soldiers have benefited as a result
 
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Okay....I've met Ben P. at DMRC Headley Court.....where he has received extensive treatment for severe injuries....it is a tribute to Ben's courage and determination that he has got this far with his rehabilitation....it is also, please Daily Mail, a tribute to the long,patient,selfless hard work put in with Ben over many many hours by the physios, prosthetists and others at Headley.

Without the courage and selfless fortitude of his comrades who did the right thing at the point of injury , the pilots who flew him out of the firing line , the MERT team who kept him alive long enough to reach Bastion, the professionalism of the DMS surgeons ( both Regular and Reservist) who kept him alive on the operating table, the CCAST crew who safely medevac'd him back to the UK, the skill and compassion with which he was treated at Queen Elizabeth Hospital Birmingham by both Service and civilian doctors and FINALLY the best part of two years treatment at DMRC, Ben would also not be where he is today.

He would be a name on a memorial.


Happy Armed Forces Day - if you are entitled to a Veteran's badge - wear it with pride.

For the Twittering class: https://twitter.com/mack1267/status/218978997508382720/photo/1
I was there when Ben was hit. In fact, as we were obviously in a mine field, I took a photo of the scene. I offered Ben a copy, which he gladly accepted, as the only picture and memory he has is of the vehicle after it was denied.

I have said it before on here, the medic with us at the time was a LCpl! He went straight into the blast area without second thought and worked for about 1.5 hours to save Ben's life. When the MERT aircraft arrived, the doctor (NHS consultant) got off the Chinook and asked who performed on Ben. He said he would have been hard pushed to have bettered anything that had been performed and undoubtably saved his life. That medic is one of those who will walk through life with no visible embellishment on his chest for what he did. However, he will know that he gave a great man the gift of life.

It is a memory that I will praise, a story I will tell till my voice no longer works to my children.

The medic's wife has contacted me before on these means whilst he was back in theatre probably doing the same to thank me for kind words of praise.

Sorry for going on, but he deserves great credit for preserving life.

Steadfast in adversity...

Ben continues to do great things for the recognition of the service person. Well in, mate.
 
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I was there when Ben was hit. In fact, as we were obviously in a mine field, I took a photo of the scene. I offered Ben a copy, which he gladly accepted, as the only picture and memory he has is of the vehicle after it was denied.

I have said it before on here, the medic with us at the time was a LCpl! He went straight into the blast area without second thought and worked for about 1.5 hours to save Bens life. When the MERT aircraft arrived, the doctor (NHS consultant) got of the Chinook and asked who performed on Ben. He said he would have been hard pushed to have bettered anything that had been performed and undoubtably saved his life. That medic is one of those who will walk through life with no visible embellishment on his chest for what he did. However, he will know that he gave a great man the gift of life.

It is a memory that I will praise, a story I will tell till my voice no longer works to my children.

The medic's wife has contacted me before on these means whilst he was back in theatre probably doing the same to thank me for kind words of praise.

Sorry for going on, but he deserves great credit for preserving life.

Steadfast in adversity...

Ben continues to do great things for the recognition of the service person. Well in, mate.
Shouldn't this be posted to the paper that wrote the article?

Maybe the Medic'll get some deserved recognition, even if it's not in the form of chestal bling.
 

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