The Mighty White Lanyard.

#1

ORIGINS OF THE LANYARD & THE CLASSIC SAPPER LEG-PULL

There has long been a tale-usually told by Sappers-about the Gunners wearing a white lanyard for cowardice, allegedly for deserting their guns. Of course, the story is nothing more than a piece of leg pulling. The tradition of winding up stems from the age-old rivalry between the two sister corps founded under the Board of Ordnance and trained together in Woolwich. However, I am still being asked by ARRSE members whether this story is true, so it is time it was put to rest.

Lanyards associated with dress came into use in the late 19th Century, when field guns, such as the 12 and 15 pounders, used ammunition which had fuzes set with a fuze key. The key was a simple device, and every man had one, attached to a lanyard worn around the neck. The key itself was kept in the breast pocket until needed. The lanyard was a simple piece of strong cord, but it was gradually turned into something a bit more decorative, smartened up with blanco and braided, taking its present form.

Prior to the South African War, Gunners were issued with steel folding hoof picks, carried on the saddle or in the knife. In about 1903 these were withdrawn and replaced with jack knives, which were carried in the left breast pocket of the Service Dress attached to a lanyard over the left shoulder.

In the war years that followed, the lanyard could be used as an emergency firing lanyard for those guns which had a trigger firing mechanism, allowing the gunner to stand clear of the guns recoil.

The question of which shoulder bore the lanyard depends on the date. There is no certainty about this, but the change from the left shoulder to the right probably took place at about the time of the Great War, when a bandolier was introduced, because it was worn over the left shoulder. But there are some who insist that 1924 was the date of change, when sloping of rifles over the left shoulder would soil the white lanyard.

Eventually in 1933, the end of the lanyard was simply tucked into the breast pocket without the jack-knife, though many will remember that it was often kept in place with the soldiers pay book! On the demise of Battle Dress, the lanyard disappeared for a short time, but returned as part of the dress of the Royal Regiment of Artillery in 1973.


It may surprise many readers that this particular piece if leg-pulling is repeated in various forms. The gold stripe in the Gunner stable belt stems from the colours of the uniform at the time the stable belt was introduced. It was not a question, as the jokers would have it, of yellow stripes for cowardice!

Equally ludicrous is the suggestion that the Gunners has seven flames, as opposed to the sappers nine, because we lost two guns at some point in history!

I invite you sappers to produce your evidence. No change to any of the Armys dress regulations can take place without a formal order, and-let us be realistic! it is ridiculous to suppose that the Army Board in its wisdom would countenance the idea of a badge of shame to be worn by any branch of the Service.

It would guarantee that no one would ever join it! And since no such evidence exists, your storys falls flat on their face. One might even ask why other arms and corps wear lanyards?

They say that imitation is the sincerest form of flattery!!!

 
#2
all very good but what about the time you ran away and left the guns? :twisted:
 
#3
Not much logical argument there Door, or maybe you're in denial?
 
#4
Turp once again lets examine a few truths

I aint to sure about the Gunners and the abandon the guns white landyard tale, But as your a Hampton Wick lets examine your Corps and there guns!!

Yeah most of you do call your rifles guns, but dont the medics issue them one between every 10 of you? ( do remember the medics only having pick helves on stag because they are non combatants?)

And even then you cant look after them, you must remember the medic who had his SA80 removed from his possesion whilst travelling the 100 yds from central lines guard room to the front gate.

So maybe its a bad thing fleeing from the guns whilst under fire, but surrending whilst in an Army camp needs a little more explaning.

But Im sure you will give us all an explanation like you do, if not go and annoy some other callsign who is not up to your high standards

On the eigth day god created gunners and the devil wore a white landyard!

H&E Webster, wardrobe dealer
 
#5
Harry_Webster said:
And even then you cant look after them, you must remember the medic who had his SA80 removed from his possesion whilst travelling the 100 yds from central lines guard room to the front gate.
Central lines, must have been a 'parachutist' medic then.
Thats not a raw nerve about the lanyard is it Harry? If you get wound up about something like that i'd hate to see you under pressure.
 
#6
Harry_Webster said:
your constant name dropping and dripping of all the things that you ever wanted but your sister got?
name dropping? sister? Lost me there Harry, care to enlighten?
 
#7
sorry Harry, youre off on a tangent and ive not got a clue what youre on about.
 
#9
Rauls_Rose_Garden said:
hes on about your mother chucking it around in nanuki i think.
is that near Peterborough? cos thats where she is.
 
#10
shes still stripping, but only does working mens clubs nowadays, gravity has taken hold!!
 
#12
Is it true that RHA ( 1 RHA ) only started wearing the lanyard about 12 / 14 years ago ?

can any one let me know more on this one ? :lol:
if this is correct....why didnt they wear it previously ?
 
#15
Did you know...
The top units for awardees (VC) are the Royal Artillery with 51, the Royal Engineers with 41, and then the Royal Army Medical Corps and the Rifle Brigade with 27 each.
 
#16
Snakes_R_Us said:
Did you know...
The top units for awardees (VC) are the Royal Artillery with 51, the Royal Engineers with 41, and then the Royal Army Medical Corps and the Rifle Brigade with 27 each.

ErrrrI think not.

The Royal Engineers claim 55 VC winners. Where a recipient was serving, on attachment to another unit at the time of winning the VC, or subsequently transferred to another unit, the award will sometimes be `claimed' by both the recipient's original unit and also by the one to which he was attached or transferred. For this reason, no list of this type should be regarded as definitive.

Dropshorts lose again - just like the Inter Corps cricket match last week!
 
#17
The Royal Engineers claim 55 VC winners. Where a recipient was serving, on attachment to another unit at the time of winning the VC, or subsequently transferred to another unit, the award will sometimes be `claimed' by both the recipient's original unit and also by the one to which he was attached or transferred. For this reason, no list of this type should be regarded as definitive.
The top units for awardees are the Royal Artillery with 51, the Royal Engineers with 41, and then the Royal Army Medical Corps and the Rifle Brigade with 27 each.
Where a recipient was serving, on attachment to another unit at the time of winning the VC, or subsequently transferred to another unit, the award will sometimes be 'claimed' by both the recipient's original unit and also by the one to which he was attached or transferred. For this reason, no list of this type should be regarded as definitive.

Claim 55 you say! I see you're claiming from the RFC which you spawned which became the RAF surprised you're not claiming theirs aswell!!

http://www.victoriacross.net/facts.asp
 
#18
Just to carry on from the last post the Wedgies have a book about THEIR VCs in which they claim 55. These include 3 RFC, 2 NZ, 1 CANUK, 1 Indian and 3 Inf HMMMM suspicious. :?:
 
#19
GunnersQuadrant said:

ORIGINS OF THE LANYARD & THE CLASSIC SAPPER LEG-PULL

... between the two sister corps founded under the Board of Ordnance

VCs or no VCs, Lanyards or bits of string...

...most importantly, born of the Board of Ordnance you are both daugters of what has evolved into Chief Inspector Explosives (Army) a position now manned by the RLC.

Do you feel dirty...!?!
 
#20
NonGrad said:
GunnersQuadrant said:

ORIGINS OF THE LANYARD & THE CLASSIC SAPPER LEG-PULL

... between the two sister corps founded under the Board of Ordnance

VCs or no VCs, Lanyards or bits of string...

...most importantly, born of the Board of Ordnance you are both daugters of what has evolved into Chief Inspector Explosives (Army) a position now manned by the RLC.

Do you feel dirty...!?!
:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: ha feckin ha :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
 
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