The media and Covid-19: making a bad situation worse

Offa

War Hero
FFoM the Tiigosphere... classic example of everyone panic Media bullmerde





Beth Rigby

@BethRigby
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NEW: PM spokesperson on NHS staff testing - Over 2,000 NHS England staff have now been tested (that includes the 900 tested at weekend) - To put that into context NHS England has 1.3 million (full-time equivalent) staff 5/


to put that into perspective Beth Voice of Doom Rigby, most of those 1.3 million are admin staff with no clinical contact or input.
And how many of those admin staff could work from home, perhaps some already are.
 
Two things.

Stockpiling of kit became very much a no-no when the Treasury was heavily influenced by the 'Just in Time' theory. Despite the strong advice that for the Forces it was a war-loser if they had to rely on JiT, the bean-counters had their way and stock which hadn't been active for six months was sent for disposal. We ended up buying the kit back a short while later at vastly inflated prices.

Secondly, and this is much brighter news - Covid-19 has shoved the Labour leadership contest off the front pages and off the TV apart from a very short clip yesterday of Rubber Dong Daily professing about socialism.
 

Offa

War Hero
Germany being held up as the shining example for testing. But Germany has shown in the past the ability to 'process' thousands in a day.
 

Truxx

LE
Two things.

Stockpiling of kit became very much a no-no when the Treasury was heavily influenced by the 'Just in Time' theory. Despite the strong advice that for the Forces it was a war-loser if they had to rely on JiT, the bean-counters had their way and stock which hadn't been active for six months was sent for disposal. We ended up buying the kit back a short while later at vastly inflated prices.

Secondly, and this is much brighter news - Covid-19 has shoved the Labour leadership contest off the front pages and off the TV apart from a very short clip yesterday of Rubber Dong Daily professing about socialism.
It was when the "double earmarking" became "triple earmarking" when I knew it was time to give over.
 

Truxx

LE
Germany being held up as the shining example for testing. But Germany has shown in the past the ability to 'process' thousands in a day.
And yet is their ability to cope and death rate any better? (Now i mean, not back in the day)
 
A thought … we have >2,000 deaths plus many more diagnosed.

Given that each such patient will be attended by several staff, and multiple accusations of lack of essential ppe for nurses & doctors - why have we had so few casualties among the NHS?.
 

Truxx

LE
A thought … we have >2,000 deaths plus many more diagnosed.

Given that each such patient will be attended by several staff, and multiple accusations of lack of essential ppe for nurses & doctors - why have we had so few casualties among the NHS?.
Interesting this " multiple accusations" thing. I wonder to what extent the media are (as usual) generalising from the specifics.

General you say everything is going well but we are getting reports of lack of bog paper (kuwait 2003)

Well (enter hack name here) obviously a lot has been going on and some of the logistics are still catching up.

The correct answer would have been "where are there shortages of bog roll? Let me know the units and commanders and I will be having a word."

Or even " the reason that 3 loamshires are short of bog roll is because they seem to have used 2.5 times the normal daily requirement"

Or even " no half decent soldier should be deploying without an emergency stock in his pack anyway"


Oh. Hang on. Jacko did use that last one....
 
I was trying to introduce the idea that maybe the Meedya do indeed Luv Boris
( even if they honestly think they don't)
Ergo
He can 'disarm' or maybe 'deflect'?? the inane shite they chuck at him in a manner quite different from any other political leader we've had since most that Slimey Lawyer got to the top in '97.

Meanwhile in the Real World...

Our Wonderful NHS Heroes.......

My Missus who's qualification, an ex Prison Officer....
Not a Nurse, but who's been looking after 'unstable' poor old dears in a brand new Hossy...
It's been cleared out into a very dignified End of Life unit, for Elderly Corvid folks.
There's a high turnover, a few of the 'less robust ' nurses are havin a cough and a fortnight at home ( on their second trip round now)...
Head Shed came round 'Rallying the Troops' etc. yesterday....
Pulled her boss up...
My Missus was wearing blue gloves in her ppe instead of clear ( her hands won't fit the clear ones)......
He wasn't a Happy Bunny!

The poor dears aren't ever gonna wake up again, ppe is stripped and bagged incinerated upon leaving the unit....

It's almost as if there's a Middle class mentality of management mediocrity, pervading through the 'educated' levels of Society...
I wonder where that comes from?
During my brief return to the NHS (Scotland) about 20 years ago I found that most mid-level non clinical managers were approaching their final 10years before retirement. This, to pharaphrase the Supreme Court, 'had the effect' of making them adhere strictly to the rules laid down for, for example, procurement, storage and internal distribution. In a crisis these people will still have an eye more on their pension than on the pragmatic needs of the situation. I tried to induce some change, but I only lasted 10 days before said to myself 'fcuk this'.
 

Oops

Old-Salt
A thought … we have >2,000 deaths plus many more diagnosed.

Given that each such patient will be attended by several staff, and multiple accusations of lack of essential ppe for nurses & doctors - why have we had so few casualties among the NHS?.
I've made some pretty exhaustive enquiries in this regard, especially as I'm 'vulnerable' in a couple of aspects to this nastiness...

There are an awful lot of old folks succumbing, they're quietly and simply 'shutting down' as always happens in particularly challenging circumstances such as a normal(horrible)flu season....there's not alot of drama, fading away isn't very infectious.
Fighting to save an otherwise 'healthy' middle aged person , chucking the kitchen sink at em...
That's when it can become more challenging.

Bear in mind also, that not every person who dons a set of scrubs is of the same mental fortitude......
(I'm more than qualified to comment in that dept!)
 
Two things.

Stockpiling of kit became very much a no-no when the Treasury was heavily influenced by the 'Just in Time' theory. Despite the strong advice that for the Forces it was a war-loser if they had to rely on JiT, the bean-counters had their way and stock which hadn't been active for six months was sent for disposal. We ended up buying the kit back a short while later at vastly inflated prices.

Secondly, and this is much brighter news - Covid-19 has shoved the Labour leadership contest off the front pages and off the TV apart from a very short clip yesterday of Rubber Dong Daily professing about socialism.

Yes, its worked out great.

Whats that?
China's being buying up all the stocks of premium PPE from the likes of 3M all year, and is now flooding the market with their sub standard crap?
 
During my brief return to the NHS (Scotland) about 20 years ago I found that most mid-level non clinical managers were approaching their final 10years before retirement. This, to pharaphrase the Supreme Court, 'had the effect' of making them adhere strictly to the rules laid down for, for example, procurement, storage and internal distribution. In a crisis these people will still have an eye more on their pension than on the pragmatic needs of the situation. I tried to induce some change, but I only lasted 10 days before said to myself 'fcuk this'.

I refer the noble gentleman to the corpulent, (BMI over 50) middle aged Admin Manager at my Hospital, who rather than crack on and put all the patients on immunosuppressive drugs on the NHS database, has disappeared into self isolation, (He's vulnerable innit), and sent out a mail shot to all the patients of a covering letter 'Its impossible in the current circumstances to identify all the highly vulnerable patients and register them', along with the clinical guidance notes (an 80 year old Doris will have fun with them), and a helpful suggestion they work it out for ourselves and self register if they think they ticks the right boxes - (you have to be on a biologic, and a non biologic and have an underlying co-morbidity, according to the clear as mud notes).

Just 'select all' and put all the immunosuppressed therapy patients on the database en bloc on the database before disappearing and accept a few might be outside the parameters but you will get all the high risk ones at a key stroke? Nah, that required thinking out of his closed box.
 
Another big argument for leaving the EU.

The NHS is so large, such a big purchaser, arguably the worlds ingest biggest purchaser of drugs and medical supplies, its 100% possible to service its needs with UK production thanks to the scales involved.
Why ARE we buying in knock off drugs from Hungary and Bulgaria when we have a huge UK pharmacy industry?
 
Why ARE we buying in knock off drugs from Hungary and Bulgaria when we have a huge UK pharmacy industry?
Not certain on this one but most of the UK pharmaceutical plants used to be R&D - they might be able to turn out a couple of kilos of active ingredient over a week long batch run. All quite small scale and focussed on providing novel compounds for clinical trials. That's what GSK's operations in Tonbridge and similar sites were doing when I was looking at a job there.

Most of the patented drugs were then manufactured elsewhere in much larger quantities in plants custom designed to produce a couple of specific drug molecules.

For a food analogy the UK research plants were Michelin starred kitchens turning out new and interesting things each week while the overseas manufacturing was a canned soup factory, making the same recipes over and over and over again for years at a time.
 
I refer the noble gentleman to the corpulent, (BMI over 50) middle aged Admin Manager at my Hospital, who rather than crack on and put all the patients on immunosuppressive drugs on the NHS database, has disappeared into self isolation, (He's vulnerable innit), and sent out a mail shot to all the patients of a covering letter 'Its impossible in the current circumstances to identify all the highly vulnerable patients and register them', along with the clinical guidance notes (an 80 year old Doris will have fun with them), and a helpful suggestion they work it out for ourselves and self register if they think they ticks the right boxes - (you have to be on a biologic, and a non biologic and have an underlying co-morbidity, according to the clear as mud notes).

Just 'select all' and put all the immunosuppressed therapy patients on the database en bloc on the database before disappearing and accept a few might be outside the parameters but you will get all the high risk ones at a key stroke? Nah, that required thinking out of his closed box.
I am taking prescribed steroids for Polymyalga Rheumatica. These are immunosuppressive and it is dangerous to stop them. I also have medication managed Arterial Fibrilation and had a cardiac stent placement for Arterial Sclerosis. I am coming up for 72 and am a carer for a severly disabled spouse. Last year I spent 43 days as an in patient after undergoing a difficult abdominal surgery that included three further invasive procedures after the initial 6 hour op. I am extremly grateful to the NHS, but to date, in the current crisis, I have had.........just counting.......fcuk all contact from the health service.

ETA I have been self isolating with Mrs Kinch for four weeks. We are fine, though I am getting prolonged minor headache (fixed with paracetamol) on a daily basis. BP dyastolic is up at around 126 but is probably sitting at around 100-110 because of the effect of AF on an electronic BP machine. Hence, safer to stay where am. In all other respects things are grand.
 
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Peston, after days of harping on about tests, making an utter cock of himself:


And, for the record, here’s the CV of the bloke he’s arguing with: Jonathan or JVT Nguyen-Van-Tam - The University of Nottingham
I guess that Robert Peston is to the news media what Timothy Leary was to psychology. They both appear permanently stoned. Back in the day Leary's use of Beatles music provoked John Lennons nonsense take on'ComeTogether'
 
The scribbling, dribbling half wits
(journalists) have been heard/read referring to themselves as ‘Her Majesty’s Press Corps’.

Deluded, dense, conceited numpties.
No doubt they will expect a NDM :roll: for there excellence, in reporting.

Two things.

Stockpiling of kit became very much a no-no when the Treasury was heavily influenced by the 'Just in Time' theory. Despite the strong advice that for the Forces it was a war-loser if they had to rely on JiT, the bean-counters had their way and stock which hadn't been active for six months was sent for disposal. We ended up buying the kit back a short while later at vastly inflated prices.
Jit is in my view has been promoted and encouraged by bean counters rather than those with operational experience, across government. That we have offshored much of the supply chain is also another bean counter policy that is costing us as a nation.

Have no doubt that the media will skip over this, being a policy that was supported for the last 30 odd years and only brought up to bash one side.

Conservative "BOOO Evil" penny pinching Tramp and puppy kickers, and also by Labour "hooray" strongly keeping the nation working while allowing the off shoring to continue... Thus ‘Her Majesty’s Press Corps’ cockwombles since 'Guttenberg'.

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Goatman

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Nice one @labrat.

Dear Peston, oh armchair pundit on all matters past present and future,

THIS IS THE GUY YOU WERE LECTURING ABOUT TESTING PROCESSES:

Jonathan Van-Tam MBE, BMedSci, BM BS, DM, FFPH, FRCPath, Hon FFPM, CBiol, CSci, FRSPH, FSB graduated in Medicine from the University of Nottingham in 1987, trained in Public Health Medicine from 1991, and became a Senior Lecturer at the University of Nottingham in 1997, before serving with the pharmaceutical and vaccines industries from 2000. He moved to the UK Health Protection Agency in 2004, where he was Head of the Pandemic Influenza Office, before returning to Nottingham in late 2007 as Professor of Health Protection.

His special interest in influenza and other respiratory viruses spans 25 years and focuses on: epidemiology; transmission; vaccinology; public health policy; and pandemic preparedness and response.

He is co-Editor and chapter author of the textbook: Pandemic Influenza, which is now in its second edition. He has been a consultant to the World Health Organization on influenza since 2004, and was Editor-In-Chief of Influenza and Other Respiratory Viruses from 2013-2017.

He sat on the UK Scientific Advisory Group for Emergencies (SAGE) during the 2009-10 pandemic.

His unit has been an official WHO Collaborating Centre for pandemic influenza and research since 2010; and a UK Faculty of Public Health 'national treasure' training location for influenza research since 2011.

He was Chair of UK NERVTAG (the UK Government's New and Emerging Respiratory Virus Threat Advisory Group) from 2014-2017. In October 2017 he moved to the Department of Health, England, on secondment as Deputy Chief Medical Officer.
 

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