The Magnitsky Connection ?

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I considered posting this in a number of extant threads, but it seems to me that it is a separate issue which hits on a number of current topics. MoDs feel free to adjust as required please.

'Shameful' not to publish Russia report - Clinton


As I understand it, a US Businessman , Bill Browder, has given a 14 page document of evidence to the multi-party Joint Intelligence Committee alleging a Russian influence campaign on British democratic systems.

According to Browder, both Labour and Conservative politicians have received cash inducements from Russian sources known to be close to Putin personally.

With what aim ?

To block,thwart and reduce the impact of both Magnitsky's death and (of more recent interest to Arrse) the nerve warfare attack in Salisbury. In Russia's interest, not ours.


Source : from Gordon Corera, BBC Security Correspondent

We know the report looks at a wide range of Russian activity - ranging from traditional espionage to subversion - and not just in the UK.

But the greatest interest has been in what it might say on political interference in the UK. The Mueller inquiry in the US laid out a broad pattern of interference in the US 2016 presidential election, particularly using social media and leaking of documents.

So far, no evidence of a cyber campaign on the same scale has been produced in the UK. While it is possible there is evidence of attempts in the report, government ministers have already said there is no evidence of "successful" interference in elections, including the Brexit referendum (although defining what "successful" means is hard and may be disputable).

However, last week former deputy national security adviser Paddy McGuinness told the BBC not enough had been done to deal with vulnerabilities that the Russians and others could exploit. Mr McGuinness, who sat on the Oxford Technology and Elections Commission, said reforms were needed, including more transparency from political parties on how they collect and use data.
Downing Street declares the publication of the JIC Report ( not to be published until after the upcoming General Election) is 'Normal'

Normal for a one party autocracy perhaps.

An older CNN report here gives some additional collateral.

I honestly beg the pardon of the great and good , with finer brains who obviously grasp 'the big picture' better than me.

What the hell is going on with this ?
 
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I considered posting this in a number of extant threads, but it seems to me that it is a separate issue which hits on a number of current topics. MoDs feel free to adjust as required please.

'Shameful' not to publish Russia report - Clinton


As I understand it, a US Businessman , Bill Browder, has given a 14 page document of evidence to the multi-party Joint Intelligence Committee alleging an alleged Russian influence campaign on the British democratic systems.

According to Browder both Labour and Conservative politicians have received cash inducements from Russian sources known to be close to Putin personally.

With what aim ?

To block,thwart and reduce the impact of both Magnitsky's death and the (of more recent interest to Arrse) the nerve warfare attack in Salisbury.


Source : from Gordon Corera, BBC Security Correspondent



Downing Street declares the publication of the JIC Report ( not to be published until after the upcoming General Election) is 'Normal'

Normal for a one party autocracy perhaps.

I honestly beg the pardon of the great and good , with finer brains who obviously grasp 'the big picture' than me.
What the hell is going on with this ?
So Hilary is interfering in British politics by complaining about other people interfering in British politics.

She really doesn't get the meaning of hypocrisy does she?

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First off, read the Gordon Corera piece.
Second off, never assume - it makes an ass out of 'U and 'Me'

She was being interviewed on R4 this morning ( or at least the interview pre-recorded was on first thing).

Unlike previous gobby Yank politicians she was at pains to make it clear that it is emphatically not her business to tell Brits how to run their business.

This may indeed be just another stick with which to beat a Tory administration in the foetid run-up to an Election which even the participants are dreading .

But the underlying questions will not go away.

I suspect some priestly donnish mandarin has steepled his fingers and said something like

' Well Minister, I hear what you say, of course...but how would releasing our Report serve the public good ? '

Probably followed by ' We are where we are.....' - which is meaningless Senior Mandarin code for ' we should do nothing'

Always instructive to go to a non-partisan source...try this:

 
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Politics is the second oldest profession. But lacks the morality of the oldest.;)

I'm rather fond of the ex-Colonials, but their hypocrisy regarding Russian interference in democratic elections is breath-taking, considering what the Yanks themselves have done in the Middle East and Central America. And the UK isn't exactly a blushing virgin in that regard either.

I've no doubt the Ivans did try to influence British politics to their own ends. I'm equally sure we would, and indeed have, tried to do exactly the same thing in other nations, including Mother Russia herself.

As the Yanks themselves charmingly put it, "Hate the Game, not the Playa".
 

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Politics is the second oldest profession. But lacks the morality of the oldest.;)

I'm rather fond of the ex-Colonials, but their hypocrisy regarding Russian interference in democratic elections is breath-taking, considering what the Yanks themselves have done in the Middle East and Central America. And the UK isn't exactly a blushing virgin in that regard either.

I've no doubt the Ivans did try to influence British politics to their own ends. I'm equally sure we would, and indeed have, tried to do exactly the same thing in other nations, including Mother Russia herself.

As the Yanks themselves charmingly put it, "Hate the Game, not the Playa".

The western liberal democracies are in nowhere near the same league as Russia, China, Iran, et al, for the sheer volume of hostile propaganda that gets disseminated, particularly now the we are in the internet era.

You can look at any internet forum of any type - gaming, news, fashion, academic, sport, whatever - to see that they are loaded with subtle and unsubtle anti-western messaging.

Its all very well saying "we do the same", but who is doing the messaging, and what is the message? Much of our MSM, academia and public/political elite swallow the anti-western themes hook, line and sinker, and regurgitate it themselves.

On the capability front, its quite clear no western country has the sort of high-headcount/ high-output troll factories that the opposition do, and neither does any western country repress and control incoming information flows in the way that the opposition does.

I doubt very much whether Moscow or Beijing even care about the outcome of the US, UK, French elections or the Brexit negotiations - their interest is in wrecking and undermining western society by whatever means.
 

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Can we ask Hilary about Bill's "BJ" with Monica, Sexual Harassment & his Impeachment, allegedly?
Oh and the awful way she treats her Secret Service Protection Agents, allegedly?

Gone quite Hilary?
 
I considered posting this in a number of extant threads, but it seems to me that it is a separate issue which hits on a number of current topics. MoDs feel free to adjust as required please.

'Shameful' not to publish Russia report - Clinton


As I understand it, a US Businessman , Bill Browder, has given a 14 page document of evidence to the multi-party Joint Intelligence Committee alleging a Russian influence campaign on British democratic systems.

According to Browder, both Labour and Conservative politicians have received cash inducements from Russian sources known to be close to Putin personally.

With what aim ?

To block,thwart and reduce the impact of both Magnitsky's death and (of more recent interest to Arrse) the nerve warfare attack in Salisbury. In Russia's interest, not ours.


Source : from Gordon Corera, BBC Security Correspondent



Downing Street declares the publication of the JIC Report ( not to be published until after the upcoming General Election) is 'Normal'

Normal for a one party autocracy perhaps.

An older CNN report here gives some additional collateral.

I honestly beg the pardon of the great and good , with finer brains who obviously grasp 'the big picture' better than me.

What the hell is going on with this ?
The report from what I can gather has had input from the same guy whom published so far unsubstantiated claims of Russia’s involvement getting trump voted it.

The company that funds him receives most of its financial backing from George Sorros. Remember him? He’s the same guy who’s been financing Gina Miller.

So we have an American Billionaire financing the undermining of democracy.
 
Can we ask Hilary about Bill's "BJ" with Monica, Sexual Harassment & his Impeachment, allegedly?
Oh and the awful way she treats her Secret Service Protection Agents?

Gone quite Hilary?
I liked the ‘I’ve been shot at by snipers.’

ISTR all non US personnel weren’t allowed within a mile of Bills Plane, and the firing pins were removed from US personal inside the US only cordon.
 

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Can we ask Hilary about Bill's "BJ" with Monica, Sexual Harassment & his Impeachment, allegedly?
Oh and the awful way she treats her Secret Service Protection Agents, allegedly?
Don't try and ignore the central story and re-focus this in terms of a failed US politician.

Nice Geography-class level piece of misdirection, but no takers.

The real story is why our own Government is making strenuous efforts to keep us all perennially in the dark about an issue which may be pivotal to the upcoming GE.

I happened to read the Sunday Times piece which the BBC item refers to - it was quite short, and utterly eclipsed by the one pager on Season 3 of The Crown.

One of the key people investigated is Boris's personal Svengali, one Dominic Cummings - who spent three years in post Soviet Russia.

And now commands much the same position in Whitehall as his unlamented predecessor Alistair Campbell.
 
The western liberal democracies are in nowhere near the same league as Russia, China, Iran, et al, for the sheer volume of hostile propaganda that gets disseminated, particularly now the we are in the internet era.

You can look at any internet forum of any type - gaming, news, fashion, academic, sport, whatever - to see that they are loaded with subtle and unsubtle anti-western messaging.

Its all very well saying "we do the same", but who is doing the messaging, and what is the message? Much of our MSM, academia and public/political elite swallow the anti-western themes hook, line and sinker, and regurgitate it themselves.

On the capability front, its quite clear no western country has the sort of high-headcount/ high-output troll factories that the opposition do, and neither does any western country repress and control incoming information flows in the way that the opposition does.

I doubt very much whether Moscow or Beijing even care about the outcome of the US, UK, French elections or the Brexit negotiations - their interest is in wrecking and undermining western society by whatever means.
Maybe not, but they certainly have their moments. One could argue that propaganda dissemination pales when compared to the CIA's Greatest Hits; the multiple attempts to assassinate Castro, the Bay of Pigs, Iran - Contra and many others.

And frankly, anyone stupid enough to base their voting decisions on what they see and hear on Facebook etc is a living example of Churchill's infamous quote,

"The best argument against Democracy is a five minute conversation with the average voter".
 

Goatman

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There should be a revised Godwin's Law relating to Churchillian rhetoric; definitely the man for all seasons.

He famously also said:

' Democracy is NOT the best system of government - it is simply the least worst....'

According to the Roy Jenkins biography, Churchill was also recorded as saying:

' I walk through this world with greater courage and hope when I find myself in a relationship of friendship and intimacy with this great man, whose fame has gone out not over all Russia, but the world.'

The subject of this eulogy?

Not FDR, not any of his generals,not even his much adored Sovereign......... this guy:

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- Uncle Joe.



Good 'ere innit
 

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There should be a revised Godwin's Law relating to Churchillian rhetoric; definitely the man for all seasons.

He famously also said:

' Democracy is NOT the best system of government - it is simply the least worst....'

According to the Roy Jenkins biography, Churchill was also recorded as saying:

' I walk through this world with greater courage and hope when I find myself in a relationship of friendship and intimacy with this great man, whose fame has gone out not over all Russia, but the world.'

The subject of this eulogy?

Not FDR, not any of his generals,not even his much adored Sovereign......... this guy:

View attachment 429501

- Uncle Joe.



Good 'ere innit

Where does Roy Jenkins says that was spoken? It does not seem to appear in the usual lists of public quotations attributed to Churchill. Perhaps he said it in Moscow or Yalta, in which case context is everything, as they say.
 
So Hilary is interfering in British politics by complaining about other people interfering in British politics.

She really doesn't get the meaning of hypocrisy does she?

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#ButHillary!

The issue is Ru involvement, and Woeful Johnson's suppression of a report that lists nine major (Russian) contributors to the Tory party.
 
Can we ask Hilary about Bill's "BJ" with Monica, Sexual Harassment & his Impeachment, allegedly?
Oh and the awful way she treats her Secret Service Protection Agents, allegedly?

Gone quite Hilary?
#ButHillary!
 
The report from what I can gather has had input from the same guy whom published so far unsubstantiated claims of Russia’s involvement getting trump voted it.

The company that funds him receives most of its financial backing from George Sorros. Remember him? He’s the same guy who’s been financing Gina Miller.

So we have an American Billionaire financing the undermining of democracy.
AIUI - bolleaux.
 

Goatman

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Where does Roy Jenkins says that was spoken? It does not seem to appear in the usual lists of public quotations attributed to Churchill. Perhaps he said it in Moscow or Yalta, in which case context is everything, as they say.
q.v ' Churchill ' - Roy Jenkins,
published by PAN, ISBN-0-330-48805-8
Chapter 40 'Victory in Europe - And defeat in Britain', P.781 '

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- look it up :-D I would of course lend you my copy, but it is slightly foxed. :)


At which, if it please M'lud, the Defence rests.
 
AIUI - bolleaux.
This guy


Was funded by this organisation.


Who in turn receive their money from this guy

 

Goatman

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Steele's expertise on Russia remained valued, and he served as a senior officer under John Scarlett, Chief of the Secret Intelligence Service (MI6), from 2004 to 2009.[23] Steele was a counterintelligence specialist[15] and was selected as case officer for Alexander Litvinenko and participated in the investigation of the Litvinenko poisoning in 2006.[16] It was Steele who quickly realised that Litvinenko's death "was a Russian state 'hit'".[23] Twelve years later he allegedly was included himself into a hit list of the Russian Federal Security Service, along with Sergei Skripal who was poisoned in 2018 by a binary chemical weapon Novichok in Britain.[24]

Since 2009 Steele has not been to Russia, or visited any former Soviet states and in 2012, an Orbis informant quoted an FSB-agent describing him as an "enemy of Mother Russia".[8] Steele has refrained from travelling to the United States since his identity became public, citing the political and legal situation.[25]

Motive , Means and opportunity....

What Motive would this guy have for concocting a fake dossier on The Orange One ?

A respected member of the SiS until outed by some mong, with a decent salary and prospects. Little.

What possible motive would both Putin's Federal Security Service and The Orange One have for discrediting him? Um.....well, let's guess?....


By buying into Trump's nonsensical, desperate scrambling to avoid being impeached, all you are doing is throwing petrol on the flames....
 
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