Discussion in 'Military History and Militaria' started by stameen_s, Nov 12, 2005.
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BS he was.
LCol Scotland did an excellent job, which greatly aided the war effort of overcoming Nazi Germany.
"At the time Knoechlein made these allegations he was facing the death penalty, having been convicted of the murder of 124 British soldiers, including 98 members of the Royal Norfolk Regiment"
It is pleasing to see this piece of Nazi sh1t got what he deserved!
Truth it may be but stand by for some revisionist historians, nobody will make the connection that to win wars sometimes nasty things have to be done.
No surprise here, Britain could not win a war like that today with the current nieve attitude in society. Torture sometimes makes people say anything but remove the threat and the prisoner sits back "knowing their rights" step forward the friends or terrorists Gareth Pierce and the WMF ohh yes and the Guardian
Beatings, sleep deprivation and starvation used on SS and Gestapo men.
Surely the conditions on the front line of battle were much the same? Was there not cannibalism on the Eastern Front? Membership of the Gestapo signified one was a particular type of person and hardened to watching others suffer. The treatment described is hardly Inquisition standard and there could be no doubt that those interrogated had been in positions where they gained knowledge that could be useful.
Knoechlein was actually an Lt Col (ObersturmbannfÃ¼hrer), a Knight's Cross winner and commander of SS-Panzer-Grenadier Regiment. 23 'Norge' at the end of the war. As a Captain he had been a company commander in the Totenkopf division (IV./SS-T.-I.-R. 2) in 1940 and had ordered the massacre of POWs from the 2nd Bn, Royal Norfolk Regiment at Le Paradis on 27 May 1940. The British were members of a Norfolks company group left behind as a rearguard: they had fought on 'to the last round' covering the withdrawal of other members of 2 Inf Div across the river Lys before surrendering, and many were wounded. As it happens, Knoechlein's order to kill the prisoners caused a lot of disquiet amongst the soldiers who had to do it, he was challenged to a duel by a fellow (SS) officer and investigated by his higher formation (XVI. Korps under Hoeppner), but ultimately the episode was hushed up on the orders of Himmler because it would supposedly bring dishonour on the SS; it doesn't seem to have harmed Knoechlein's career very much.
Knoechlein's defence was that the Brits had been using 'dum-dum' ammunition against his men; in reality, it was the first time they had been in action against the British Army and they were shocked by the wound characteristics of the standard .303 round which tended to leave a very substantial exit wound. He was hanged in Hamburg in 1948: good riddance.
As it happens, the Knoechlein case is frequently cited by - mainly American - revisionist historians who complain about 'victor's justice' and believe his stories about dum-dum bullets (they can't deny the massacre as a number of SS men gave evidence against Knoechlein at his trial). Questioning some of these people, they seem to think that British soldiers had ready access to dum-dum bullets or could, at the very least, have bought them privately... what planet do these fÃ¼ckers live on?
There is no doubt the London Cage wasn't a holiday camp.
However the article is very Biased, and used quotes to it's own effect, clearly out of context.
Has anyone read the book 'London Cage'? It is quite interesting, and covers not just the London Cage but the career of LCol Scotland
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