The latest media shit fight.

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goatrutar

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"RAR Buddies"? Dead set, when will people learn to not post shit up on ******* face tube?
 
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"RAR Buddies"? Dead set, when will people learn to not post shit up on ******* face tube?
Careful, they might come looking on here! I think the chief of the Aussie Army is looking into this one. I'm sure Steven Smith (he's like the Aussie version of Geoff Hoon and Des Brown combined...scary!), will hold
another press conference announcing a knee jerk over-reaction to the scandal. Just like the miss-informed 'women can now serve on the front line" idea.

This time, "The RAR can no longer use or train with live ammuinition as its too agressive and causes the use of dis-tasteful facebook chat sites..." another quality idea.
 
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goatrutar

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And the UK think we aren't sliding down the pc drain...

And in another breaking story opposition forces are no longer to be referred to as "enemy". Instead they are to be referred to as "clients".
 
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Here's a bit of a media pack version of events. I do like the comments by 'Steve' the Combat Engineer who claims infantry are the lowest IQ in the army. Yeah mate I'd like you to say that to my face and a few others in person. Enjoy......

We're not all like that, Army boys say - ABC News (Australian Broadcasting Corporation)

Snip:

Current and former Australian Defence Force members say the racist and sexist attitudes voiced by their colleagues on a private Facebook page are "ridiculous" and by no means widespread.
They admit at times the Army can be a "bit of a boys club" but accuse the infantry units of being "behind the eight ball when it comes to intellect" and of misrepresenting the entire force.
The man who outed the RAR (Royal Australian Regiment) Buddies Facebook group, Dr Ben Wadham from Flinders University, agrees the attitudes tend to be confined to particular areas of the Defence Force.
Dr Wadham, an ex-infantry soldier and military police officer, says it is the training methods and culture within the infantry which allow for racism and sexism to flourish.
The latest ADF saga comes after the ABC's 7.30 program on Wednesday brought down the online group for calling Muslims "rag-heads", suggesting immigrants were not welcome and describing women as "filthy, lying whores".
But Steve, a combat engineer in the Army who is training for deployment to Afghanistan, says the RAR Buddies group is an unreliable way of gauging Defence mentality.
Since joining Defence in 2006, Steve says he has never witnessed racist or sexist behaviour.
"Infantry may be behind the eight ball when it comes to intellect because when we go through recruiting we are all given an aptitude test and the lower the score, the lower the job choices. Infantry is the lowest-scoring job," he said.
"Most of these guys are extremely good at their job... and many of those men choose to be in infantry... but a select few may bring the corps down in the sense of intellect."
Steve says in his training he has been taught to respect and "win the hearts and minds of the Afghan people".
We do get taught about internet security and what is and isn't a suitable comment - these guys must have fallen asleep in that brief.

Combat engineer 'Steve'
He also says sexist attitudes towards women in the Army are out-dated and that the people he knows believe women should be able to "do what they want".
"But it does come down to biomechanics.
"For example, as a combat engineer, one of our roles is to build bridges, and the panels for this bridge weigh up to 550 kilograms.
"Some pieces have to be held above our heads for 30 seconds or more.
"There aren't many females I know that can do this, but I'm for it if she can."
Dan, who served in the Army for two-and-a-half years as a craftsman, admitted there was a "little bit" of racism but said it was only ever directed at the Taliban.
"Occasionally you would hear a corporal or a section commander use the phrase 'towel heads' or 'sand monkeys' about the Taliban, but they actually had really good attitudes towards the general population of Afghanistan and said they really enjoyed working with the people there," he said.
Dan says at times things could get "a little out of hand when a bunch of guys were chatting", but that it was always different if female members were around.
"It was no different to when you put a bunch of guys together anywhere... there were a few sexist things but just typical of what you would expect from guys in general," he said.
'Mindless grunts'
While Dr Wadham does not believe the Facebook group saga has been blown out of proportion, he says there is a need to clarify that such beliefs are stronger in certain parts of the Defence Force.
He says the RAR, also known as the Arms Corps, is where the ideas tend to be reinforced.
"In infantry you see yourself as 10-foot tall and bulletproof," he said.
"It wouldn't be fair to say that every infantry soldier is a mindless grunt, but these people, they're largely young men, many of them are from working-class backgrounds, they're not highly educated and they engage in a real sense of brotherhood.
"They feed off each other's denigrating views of other people, part of it is saying that 'we are the pinnacle here, we are the top of the food chain, we can do anything', and that is the headset they need to be able to do the work that they do."
He says the training methods used in the Army, coupled with the infantry-specific culture, heighten the potential for racist and sexist attitudes.
"Soldiers are not just like normal Australians - to be a soldier by definition is to not be a civilian," he said.
It wouldn't be fair to say that every infantry soldier is a mindless grunt, but these people, they're largely young men, many of them are from working class backgrounds, they're not highly educated and they engage in a real sense of brotherhood.

Dr Ben Wadham
"You go through a process of your identity being broken down, your hair is cut, you're put in uniforms, you have a strict timetable, you're called a recruit, cadet or a regimental number.
"Then you're re-made as part of a team - to create a sense of mateship or brotherhood.
"But if you are creating people that are insular, that are focused on themselves, that think their group is better than others, then it's a natural consequence that you will get this sort of behaviour."
He says the Defence Force needs to find the balance between creating soldiers who will potentially take the life of another human being and creating young men who uphold the values of a democratic society.
"You don't need to be racist and sexist to be a good soldier," he said.
"You need to create that sense of teamwork and hardship by focusing on deprivation and group challenge, not by denigrating others in order to generate that desired sense of mateship or brotherhood."
[h=2]Slow change[/h]Dr Wadham believes that "scandal after scandal after scandal, slowly things will change".
Steve says it must.
"To be in this job you should be comfortable with change as we change who we work with very regularly," he said.
"These boys on this RAR Buddies group have yet to realise that what they say on Facebook can come back and hurt people and get them in trouble.
"And we do get taught about internet security and what is and isn't a suitable comment - these guys must have fallen asleep in that brief."
Note: The names of Steve and Dan in this story were changed to protect the sources' anonymity.
 
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Mark The Convict

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So we have a former Military Policeman and supposed RAE and RAEME gobbing off about the Infantry? What were they doing on an Inf. FB page? Have their bona fides been checked?
 
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^ Exactly! The website......(and it's a facefuck site so I'm one of a handful of people left on the planet who aren't members) supposidly has a confirmation of 10 members having known an applicant before membership. Bit like 'I danced with a girl who danced with a bloke who danced.....you know the rest'. A bit like being one of 'them'.
 
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Mark The Convict

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Speaking of 'them', I thought the vast majority of them come from Infantry...can't be all that mindless then.
 
#10
I blame Little jim for this. Dobbing little grass.
 
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Here's a bit of a media pack version of events. I do like the comments by 'Steve' the Combat Engineer who claims infantry are the lowest IQ in the army. Yeah mate I'd like you to say that to my face and a few others in person. Enjoy......

We're not all like that, Army boys say - ABC News (Australian Broadcasting Corporation)

Snip:
Stone me, mate! Are you in the infantry? I thought you was in the Corps of Royal Nucr .. Nekle .. bugger it (checks Google) Nuclear Scientists. ^_~
 
#14
Stone me, mate! Are you in the infantry? I thought you was in the Corps of Royal Nucr .. Nekle .. bugger it (checks Google) Nuclear Scientists. ^_~
****! Cover is blown. *awaits Mossad knock on the door*

There goes all those paid trips to North Korea and Iran, damn you 'explosive one' for blowing my cover.
 
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Its been a while since I was RAR but if memory serves, the correct term for Steven is something along the lines of "winging, jack, ignorant cnut". There used to be a dark corner of Tatts reserved for for his types crumpled, recently slapped forms.
 
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goatrutar

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Its been a while since I was RAR but if memory serves, the correct term for Steven is something along the lines of "winging, jack, ignorant cnut". There used to be a dark corner of Tatts reserved for for his types crumpled, recently slapped forms.
Agreed he needs a flogging. Remember that shit fight at 3 RAR a few years back. Some gobby shit was thieving from his mates and he got a good hiding? The RSM got hung out to dry over that, which was a shame.
 
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Mark The Convict

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Agreed he needs a flogging. Remember that shit fight at 3 RAR a few years back. Some gobby shit was thieving from his mates and he got a good hiding? The RSM got hung out to dry over that, which was a shame.
I think there were even some punishment parades held as well, could be wrong though.
 

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