The Lance

#1
Inspired by a thread on wild boar and tales of pig sticking I've bought a lance. :D
Don't get too excited, I can't even ride so the pigs are quite safe.

In fact I'd seen this in a junk shop along with a "prop" lance made of a piece of dowel and some horrible home made tip. I'd fancied it then but hadn't been able to get a proper look at it.

The lance I've bought appears to be original. It has a bamboo shaft about 10-12 feet long, with a tapered steel ferrule on the base. Half way up the lance is a leather loop strap, roughly stitched and some white cord whipping extending about 8" along the shaft. The whipping looks recent and is untidily finished. A red and white deeply forked pennant is fitted near to the tip. It is sewn on rather than laced etc.
The tip itself is triple edged and 12" long, the edged portion being about 6" long. It is pinned to the bamboo shaft and is marked as follows:

[align=center] No.1 I.P.
^
COI I G1915
5[/align]

(It's difficult to do in BB format - the ^ is a broad arrow and is aligned as a vertical group with the second letter I and the number 5)

I paid £20 which seemed a good price.

Can anyone tell me any more about it?

Edit for typo and added detail.
 
#2
There were four approved patterns of lance in British service, the 1860, 1868, 1885 and 1894 patterns. All were about 9' 1" overall length, with similar tips and bases. The 1868 had a bamboo shaft, with the others having ash.

The 1860 had a 28" steel head, the 1868 and 1885 had 12.6" heads, the 1894 had a 27.75" head. The blade portions on each lance were of triangular section.

Sounds like yours - being 1915 dated - might be an 1894 pattern. This type stayed in front-line service until about 1926, when it was dropped from the equipment lists.
 
#4
4(T) said:
There were four approved patterns of lance in British service, the 1860, 1868, 1885 and 1894 patterns. All were about 9' 1" overall length, with similar tips and bases. The 1868 had a bamboo shaft, with the others having ash.

The 1860 had a 28" steel head, the 1868 and 1885 had 12.6" heads, the 1894 had a 27.75" head. The blade portions on each lance were of triangular section.

Sounds like yours - being 1915 dated - might be an 1894 pattern. This type stayed in front-line service until about 1926, when it was dropped from the equipment lists.
Well that is odd then because it's definitely a 12" (12.6"?) head. Could it be an 1885 Pattern made in 1915? I'll be most amused to find it's a real rarity.
 
#6
Gremlin said:
Get your camera out then ES!!!!
I'll try to get a picture tomorrow but I'll have to get it put on CD from film. Might take a day or five.
Note to self: Buy a digital camera.
 
#8
If it is a real Lance the colours may mean something, you may be able to find the colours on the web. Lancer Regiments (I know it is a Lance but what you describe is also used for none Lancers) used Red and White pennants.

Could the "arrow" marking be a crows foot a symbol of MoD/WD ownership?

G1915 could very well be teh year of manufacture.



A picture of several Bengal Lancers Lances, strangely enough dated 1915. (Found on first Google too!!! :D)

A very unusual and dramatic set of seven 1876 Pattern British cavalry lances from British India, each dated 1915. These lances were used by the 21 Regiments of Bengal Cavalry and Bengal Lancers in India prior to partition in 1947. Only three left in stock.
 
#11
chocolate_frog said:
If it is a real Lance the colours may mean something, you may be able to find the colours on the web. Lancer Regiments (I know it is a Lance but what you describe is also used for none Lancers) used Red and White pennants.

Could the "arrow" marking be a crows foot a symbol of MoD/WD ownership?

G1915 could very well be teh year of manufacture.



A picture of several Bengal Lancers Lances, strangely enough dated 1915. (Found on first Google too!!! :D)

A very unusual and dramatic set of seven 1876 Pattern British cavalry lances from British India, each dated 1915. These lances were used by the 21 Regiments of Bengal Cavalry and Bengal Lancers in India prior to partition in 1947. Only three left in stock.
The broad arrow is the usual government property stamp.
From what I've found so far, all British Lancers had the red and white Pennon. It was copied from the pennon carried on Polish Lances.

The lance I have is very similar in appearance to the ones in the picture. They also seem to have the Pennons sewn on and have the whipping around the shaft. Mine has a brown leather loop where these have white. The general impression is much the same.

Perhaps "No.1 I.P." stands for India Pattern?
COI is probably the maker. The G in front of 1915 perhaps indicates George V
 
#12
£20! Why do I never find bargains like that.

ES, well done you lucky barsteward.
 
#13
is the pennant crimped? if so its 16/5th
 
#14
scarletto said:
is the pennant crimped? if so its 16/5th
I'm not sure that the penant (pennon?) is original. It's not crimped.
The information I've seen so far says they were laced on or similar. This is sewn so that the lance is threaded through it. It's then been glued I think. Looks like very old glue though. The leather strap appears to be old.
 
#15
General Melchett said:
£20! Why do I never find bargains like that.

ES, well done you lucky barsteward.
The funny thing is that when I first saw it I thought it was a prop, there was a very rough prop one with it (tied together). It was stood outside in a yard which would suggest to most folks it was of no value. It's been there for at least a fortnight and no one's taken it. There was no price on it, the lad who was minding the shop had to phone up for one and came back with "£20 each". I said I'd just take the one and bit his arm off!

There are loads of antique shops where I live and I live in the centre of town so I get to see a lot of interesting stuff when I'm just coming and going to the pub, shops etc.
 
#16
Stick it on ebay, say it was your grandfathers, genuine F&S pattern as issued to Commandos/SBS/SAS and you'll get 300 notes for it. ;)

No.9

oh, and smear a bit of dark red paint on the tip :thumright:
 
#17
No.9 said:
Stick it on ebay, say it was your grandfathers, genuine F&S pattern as issued to Commandos/SBS/SAS and you'll get 300 notes for it. ;)

No.9

oh, and smear a bit of dark red paint on the tip :thumright:
And there was I cleaning the dried blood off it! I must have been born stupid ;)
 
#18
"And there was I cleaning the dried blood off it! I must have been born stupid "

Oh yeah, pull the other one. You're going to bag it and flog it separately as a 'must have' accessory ;)

 
#19
Many moons ago, we had a Regtl duty clerk who thought the lances in RHQ looked a little mucky and needed a wash (I believe they were the last ones to be used in battle). I don't know if he ever managed to finish the extras he was awarded or if he had to sign on for another 3 to do them.
 
#20
Think the clerks name began with a S, Hunty. So the crimped blooded ones became just crimped.
 

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