The Labour disaster of Glasgow East - the end of Cyclops?

Should Brown now resign?

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#1
And SNP win by 365 votes. BBC linky

For those that don't understand Scottish politics, this is a landmark result.

For Labour to lose a 13000+ majority, in a ward where 10 years ago you would be lynched for wearing anything other than Labour colours and regarded as the 3rd safest Labour seat in the country, is extraordinary.

Sh1t, this is Glasgow! Everyone is expected to vote Labour there. The only serious debate is whether you wear blue or green :D

Labour are in a flat spin N of the border for the first time in several generations and the effect on its national ambitions are huge. If they can't win Scotland, they can't win the UK.

Even more telling GB was not used or mentioned in the Labour campaign as he was seen as such a liability. My read is he is now so discredited that he shouldn't survive to the end of the year. However the longer he remains in office the happier both the Consevatives and the SNP will be.

A 26% swing - wow. People don't like Labour anymore. Yahoo :D
 
#2
About bloody time!!!!

No sectarian divide on this "bye" election - even traditonally hard working labour and catholic majority east end wants rid of cyclops and liarbour :D
 
#4
Sparky2339 said:
About bloody time!!!!

No sectarian divide on this "bye" election - even traditonally hard working labour and catholic majority east end wants rid of cyclops and liarbour :D
Cyclops is Protestant so they would clearly want rid. Also massive Republican area so I am very surprised they voted for Mr Mason!!!!
 
#5
GT2001 said:
Also massive Republican area so I am very surprised they voted for Mr Mason!!!!
Yes that's what made me laugh too!!!

Just shows how bad Labour are doing doesn't it :D

It'll get sang off as "who's the fenian in the black" or "a mason got Gord the sack"

Classic!!!!
 
#7
I have just voted 'NO' to the lying Scotsman having to resign, so I had better explain myself. The last thing we need is for him to be replaced by some charismatic Svengali like Blair who manages to convince a naive and gullible electorate to give 'New' Labour one more chance at the next General Election. No, we need to keep the mendacious monocular in charge - believe me, the pain of his final year's meltdown will be worth it in the long run.

If I credited him with any strategic vision at all, I would allege that his infiltration of the 'New' Labour project, his (eventual) rise to the top, his placement of other Scots into key positions, the constant denial of an English Parliament, was all part of a grand SNP master plan. They hadn't got a hope in hell of getting a majority even in Scotland, because too many people who could be expected to vote SNP were stuck in the rut of voting Labour. Gordon is placed as a 'sleeper', he presents himself as being 'against' an independent Scotland and moulds 'New' Labour's thinking into the current half-arrsed 'devolved powers' arrangement. Then, once he secures the top job, he sets about making 'New' Labour completely unelectable, thereby letting the SNP in across Scotland, leading to an inevitable referendum on independence. If, as a by-product, he manages to f*ck over the whole of England, then that is just a bonus from his point of view.

Once independent, expect the 'surprise' election of Gordon Brown as the President of 'New' Scotland as a reward for his service to the nation.
 
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Fifth_Columnist said:
If I credited him with any strategic vision at all, I would allege that his infiltration of the 'New' Labour project, his (eventual) rise to the top, his placement of other Scots into key positions, the constant denial of an English Parliament, was all part of a grand SNP master plan. They hadn't got a hope in hell of getting a majority even in Scotland, because too many people who could be expected to vote SNP were stuck in the rut of voting Labour. Gordon is placed as a 'sleeper', he presents himself as being 'against' an independent Scotland and moulds 'New' Labour's thinking into the current half-arrsed 'devolved powers' arrangement. Then, once he secures the top job, he sets about making 'New' Labour completely unelectable, thereby letting the SNP in across Scotland, leading to an inevitable referendum on independence. If, as a by-product, he manages to f*ck over the whole of England, then that is just a bonus from his point of view.

Once independent, expect the 'surprise' election of Gordon Brown as the President of 'New' Scotland as a reward for his service to the nation.
On the other hand, perhaps he's just an incompetent tosser.
 
#9
Shitt 5th was it that obvious??

We've been rumbled lads!!! Plan B - Go!!!

Plan B - devolved unity parliament with mercia, devon, dorset, cornwall, wales.... nah forget wales..... northumbria!! Aye, they'll do....

:D
 
#11
Fifth_Columnist said:
BambiBasher said:
On the other hand, perhaps he's just an incompetent tosser.
No-one can possibly be that incompetent by accident.
I would agree. If there is a swing away from liarbour like that everywhere at the next election they will cease to be of any relevance. Happened in Canada.
 
#12
I'd like to see Brown continue as PM until the General Election. Makes defeat a certainty.

Prudence, sustained growth, you've never had it so good, wibble....
 

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#13
EX_STAB said:
I'd like to see Brown continue as PM until the General Election. Makes defeat a certainty.

Prudence, sustained growth, you've never had it so good, wibble....
Couldn't agree more. For a guarantee of electoral success, he needs to stay in the job. (not his or Labliar's obviously).
 
#14
I suspect that everyone who voted 'no' to Cyclops' resignation did so with pretty much the logic set out above. In addition, who would replace him? 14 years of 'The Project' seems to have removed anyone who could have been a threat to Brown or Blair - with the end result that once those two are past their sell-by dates, oblivion beckoned.

Happy days are almost here again.
 
#15
Juvenal said:
I suspect that everyone who voted 'no' to Cyclops' resignation did so with pretty much the logic set out above. In addition, who would replace him? 14 years of 'The Project' seems to have removed anyone who could have been a threat to Brown or Blair - with the end result that once those two are past their sell-by dates, oblivion beckoned.

Happy days are almost here again.
Theres the pain of clearing up the mess this lot will leave behind first though. Remember how bad the early eighties were trying to sort it all out last time. 2010/11 is going to be a rough ride.
 
#16
Ord_Sgt said:
Juvenal said:
I suspect that everyone who voted 'no' to Cyclops' resignation did so with pretty much the logic set out above. In addition, who would replace him? 14 years of 'The Project' seems to have removed anyone who could have been a threat to Brown or Blair - with the end result that once those two are past their sell-by dates, oblivion beckoned.

Happy days are almost here again.
Theres the pain of clearing up the mess this lot will leave behind first though. Remember how bad the early eighties were trying to sort it all out last time. 2010/11 is going to be a rough ride.
Ain't that the truth! I'm planning to buy somewhere with a big vegetable plot and get plenty of ammunition in stock. At least that way we won't go hungry!
 
#17
Listening to Radio 4, I don't think there is much danger of Mr Brown going just yet. A member of the faithful, stating that no one in any party could have achieved so much !!!!! It would be difficult for any sane person to fcuk things up so badly.

YM
 
#18
No doubt Zanu Liarbour will operate a scorched Earth policy, they are sunk and they know it. The next two years will see them line their own pockets as much as possible in the short time they have left. No doubt they will line up jobs in the EU as their reward for the betrayal of the UK over Lisbon.

The problem is a bright new dawn does not await. The Tories are little different from Liarbour if you scratch beneath the suface. They will continue the betrayal once in power no doubt. Our politicians care not what they can do for our country, only what they can do for themselves.

The UK is doomed as an entity, the only hope I have for the future is an independent England, free from the shackles of the EU.

Ironically, it may be the SNP that are the architects of this.
 

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#19
I don’t subscribe to the view, much beloved of the newspapers, that Brown going would be a bad thing for the SNP or the Conservatives.

The electorate are so disillusioned with Labour that any party with a credible chance of giving them a kicking will do. Slightly different up here of course since we already have the SNP in power and enjoying a particularly long honeymoon period and getting bills through (even as a minority Government). The Tories have the advantage in England, and to a lesser extent Wales of having the voters forget just how much they disliked them last time round: specifically the dying days of the Major era.

And last but not least, who would be the Messiah-like figure that would ride to the rescue? Straw, Milliband, Smith, Balls? Legends in their own minds all. Barely flicker the Giveatossometer outside the Westminster circle.

A stunning victory for the SNP though has set me up nicely for the weekend. Best news I’ve had all year.
:D
 
#20
Ord_Sgt said:
Fifth_Columnist said:
BambiBasher said:
On the other hand, perhaps he's just an incompetent tosser.
No-one can possibly be that incompetent by accident.
I would agree. If there is a swing away from liarbour like that everywhere at the next election they will cease to be of any relevance. Happened in Canada.
And Australia, although in the reverse, the socialists got in there and managed to unseat a serving Prime Minister.

Electorates are in a fighting mood and getting sick an tired of the spin culture and political elites. The European Union only survives because it is undemocratic.

New Labour are history and they know it, the problem will be the next 18 months as they try to "poison the chalice" some more and present a "scorched earth " for the Tories.
 

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