The Kinder and Gentler USMC

#1
I was asked on another thread what I meant by my observation that the US military is facing decline due to both significant budget cuts and the continuing social experimentation of the forces who cannot object. One evidence of this is the new USMC propaganda approach of showing a kinder and gentler USMC typified by this feel good advert:

[video=youtube;22b3LZIzEoE]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=22b3LZIzEoE[/video]

Madness.
 
#2
The real "USMC" poster will be along in a minute to call you a homo. You do know that, don't you?
 
#5
Nowt wrong with a bit of hearts 'n' minds stuff, imho.

The septics were slow to learn in Afg, playing skittles by throwing litre bottles of water out of the Humvees at the kids. You got a point if you knocked one over, which at 20mph was at least was a sporting chance.

Then they got better at it, throwing footballs and shopping for vegetables in the local markets, after setting up a huge cordon in order to do so, but at least they were spending dollar in the local community.

I'm not sure they were Marines, I think they might have been 173rd, but I had to smile when they turned up for a lunch at a local hotel, totally tooled up - and the local Afghan band played them the Lambada as a tribute, bonging away on their third world instruments, while they munched their salads.
 
#6
Nowt wrong with a bit of hearts 'n' minds stuff, imho.

The septics were slow to learn in Afg, playing skittles by throwing litre bottles of water out of the Humvees at the kids. You got a point if you knocked one over, which at 20mph was at least was a sporting chance.

Then they got better at it, throwing footballs and shopping for vegetables in the local markets, after setting up a huge cordon in order to do so, but at least they were spending dollar in the local community.

I'm not sure they were Marines, I think they might have been 173rd, but I had to smile when they turned up for a lunch at a local hotel, totally tooled up - and the local Afghan band played them the Lambada as a tribute, bonging away on their third world instruments, while they munched their salads.
"Kinder and gentler" in my lexicon has nothing to do with "hearts and minds" in the context of COIN.
 
#7
"Kinder and gentler" in my lexicon has nothing to do with "hearts and minds" in the context of COIN.
I very humbly disagree. When you wander through an Afghan village, you can fairly easily work out who has been there recently. If the kids are shouting "bonjiorno" at you while begging for sweets, you know that the Italians have actually done a day's work for a change.

If the kids remember the 'nice soldiers' who didn't brass them up, their fathers are less likely to plant a nastiness in the road for when they come back.
 
#9
I very humbly disagree. When you wander through an Afghan village, you can fairly easily work out who has been there recently. If the kids are shouting "bonjiorno" at you while begging for sweets, you know that the Italians have actually done a day's work for a change.

If the kids remember the 'nice soldiers' who didn't brass them up, their fathers are less likely to plant a nastiness in the road for when they come back.
I agree with you as to what to actually do in a COIN context. That is different in my view from our Masters trying to change the ethos of the USMC. The USMC's Combined Action Program in Vietnam ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Combined_Action_Program ) is instructive in this regard in that the Marines performing that duty were anything but "kinder and gentler" in the meaning to which I refer.
 
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#10
It's happening everywhere to all the western armies, blame the media and today's freedom of speech (and the ease with which you can speak to a large amount of people with it).
 
#11
I agree with you as to what to actually do in a COIN context. That is different in my view from our Masters trying to change the ethos of the USMC. The USMC's Combined Action Program in Vietnam ( Combined Action Program - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia ) is instructive in this regard in that the Marines performing that duty were anything but "kinder and gentler" in the meaning to which I refer.
Ah! got ya. Yes the Corps do a specific job, but it seems a bit odd to surround them with other units 'trained' to do the Hearts stuff for them.

A line reg walks through, handing out hand shakes, nylons and kicking (sorry, throwing) a football and then the next day, the Corps arrives to reduce the place to a pile of rubble, just in case nobody got the message.

I can't see anything wrong, imho, in giving Marines a bit of training in how to be nice to people. They do all of the other stuff well enough and it would be a learning experience that they might enjoy.

If they're left to their own devices, sitting in their pits, far, far away from anybody else, they'll end up like our paras - oh God, what have I done.
 
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#12
To add it is probably the best reason to keep SF as much out of the public eyes, and in the black domain, as possible. When SF start getting fluffy we will have problems.
 
#13
To add it is probably the best reason to keep SF as much out of the public eyes, and in the black domain, as possible. When SF start getting fluffy we will have problems.
Nonsense. The Royal Marines - certainly 42 Commando, the thinking man's soldier - manage to do the nasty and the nice stuff with immense success. Hats off to them. "Black domain"?
 
#14
Ah! got ya. Yes the Corps do a specific job, but it seems a bit odd to surround them with other units 'trained' to do the Hearts stuff for them.

A line reg walks through, handing out hand shakes, nylons and kicking (sorry, throwing) a football and then the next day, the Corps arrives to reduce the place to a pile of rubble, just in case nobody got the message.

I can't see anything wrong, imho, in giving Marines a bit of training in how to be nice to people. They do all of the other stuff well enough and it would be a learning experience that they might enjoy.

If they're left to their own devices, sitting in their pits, far, far away from anybody else, they'll end up like our paras - oh God, what have I done.
Together I assume you are referring to 3rd Para Mortars?
 
#15
Nonsense. The Royal Marines - certainly 42 Commando, the thinking man's soldier - manage to do the nasty and the nice stuff with immense success. Hats off to them. "Black domain"?
The black ops should be the province of the intelligence services and NOT the military.
 
#16
The RAF adverts recently seem to be all about delivering aid to refugees and calling in fast air to drop bombs on mortar baseplates whereby (thank god!) nobody got hurted in the pwocess. **** knows how much was spunked developing Typhoon only for it to not kill anyone because thats nasty .
 
#17
The black ops should be the province of the intelligence services and NOT the military.
It probably is, or left to the PMCs from any proper pedigree.

But you get my drift? The Corps because of its training and ethos can end up being a little inward looking, tbh and a bit up their own bum. It must piss off the other parts of the US Army to see them setting themselves aside and above, no matter how good they are.

That's not to detract from their history, it's just to accept that things have changed a bit, for better or worse.
 
#19
Wasn't it a USMC General who said something along the lines of "Be polite to everyone you meet but have a plan to kill them all"?

Rodney2q
 
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