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The Judge Dredd appproach to moped crime.

Have they canvassed the owners of the 5 phones, who were probably releived of them atknifepoint, about their opnion?
Or don't those 'victims' count?
And, had the two cnuts weren'tbeing chased, and wiped out Mrs Smith, and her baby in a pram, would there have been cries of 'what are the police doing about it?'
 

Cold_Collation

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Have they canvassed the owners of the 5 phones, who were probably releived of them atknifepoint, about their opnion?
Or don't those 'victims' count?
And, had the two cnuts weren'tbeing chased, and wiped out Mrs Smith, and her baby in a pram, would there have been cries of 'what are the police doing about it?'
No, the police would have been blamed for 'causing' the miscreants to drive dangerously.

It really is time that blame was apportioned where it's due. But, hey... Black Lives Matter, right?

The reality is that these two scrotes were involved in criminal acts. They knew what they were doing, or they wouldn't have attempted to run.

If some communities have decided that not being policed should be subordinate to skin colour, then build a wall around them and let them get on with it. Or, those same communities need to stop shielding and making excuses and work with the police - and wider society - to solve the problems.

This isn't rocket science, and neither is it new thinking.
 
No, the police would have been blamed for 'causing' the miscreants to drive dangerously.
Personally I believe that the laws need a little tweak.

Basically if you run from the cops and don't pull over at the next safe place to do then anything that happens is on you. Even if you do end up under the wheels of a police car as a vegetable.

The only thing the police should have to prove is that their blues and twos were spinning and that the miscreants had ample opportunity to realise that they were target.

Any innocent/unconnected individual injured by either the miscreant or the police should be chalked up as the fault of the miscreant.

Let's say a 20 stretch for not pulling over, and a year added for every extra 100 meters past the first safe point.

Extra 50 for every bystander affected.

That'll learn 'em.
 

Cold_Collation

LE
Book Reviewer
Personally I believe that the laws need a little tweak.

Basically if you run from the cops and don't pull over at the next safe place to do then anything that happens is on you. Even if you do end up under the wheels of a police car as a vegetable.

The only thing the police should have to prove is that their blues and twos were spinning and that the miscreants had ample opportunity to realise that they were target.

Any innocent/unconnected individual injured by either the miscreant or the police should be chalked up as the fault of the miscreant.

Let's say a 20 stretch for not pulling over, and a year added for every extra 100 meters past the first safe point.

Extra 50 for every bystander affected.

That'll learn 'em.
Absolutely. But I also think that someone needs to have a word with the media and some MPs as to what is appropriate comment when some scrote gets him or herself killed or seriously injured.

That's not censorship or putting the police beyond the reach of the judicial system. It's about making people realise the consequences of their actions.
 
Can any serving Coppers explain why it takes 4 years to investigate an incident like that. I couldn't imagine the stress of that hanging over ones head and not knowing if that's your career over with.


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jmb3296

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Can any serving Coppers explain why it takes 4 years to investigate an incident like that. I couldn't imagine the stress of that hanging over ones head and not knowing if that's your career over with.


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At a speculative guess it isn’t the police investigating the police but the Independent Police Complaints Commission - Wikipedia
I have minimal experience of them but some of the Scottish equivalent.
they seem to be similar in approach.
Whilst some statements, collision investigation etc may be done by the police, the deliberations and decisions will be taken by the ipcc who will consult heavily and with the crown prosecution service.
they are in absolutely no hurry or wish to display any sense of urgency.
the delay of it hanging over a cops head, the cops removal from operational duties, or stress anxiety etc will be very low down on the consideration factor if it features at all.
many Cops are burned out by the process and have little desire to continue in policing once it is complete.
 
I may be missing something, but is there any particular reason why the CPS decided to run with this?

Are there details we're not aware of, after all it's not that unusual for perps to crash while trying to get away?

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Much as I sympathise with the reaction of the victim of the theft, appropriate and proportional use of force?

'This is the dramatic moment a vigilante driver killed a thief who stole his bike from outside his home by ramming him off the road.

'Police released the CCTV of the fatal chase showing motorbike passenger Joshua Molloy being thrown off the bike and into a lamp post.

'Mihai Dinisoae was jailed yesterday for 10 years for the manslaughter of Molloy following a high-speed chase through Newcastle. He was cleared of murdering the 28-year-old following a trial at Newcastle Crown Court. Police said Molloy and an associate stole Dinisoae's motorcycle from outside his home.

'CCTV showed the high speed pursuit over several miles in the early morning of May 5. Dinisoae was seen driving the wrong way round roundabouts and using his vehicle to repeatedly ram the motorcycle. After knocking the thieves off his bike, Dinisoae left them both severely injured in the street. Emergency services attended the scene but Molloy died at the scene. The 29-year-old motorcycle driver was taken to hospital with serious injuries but survived.

'Dinisoae was arrested by police hours after the collision and admitted he had pursued the men but claimed they had lost control and he did not cause the collision. Last month a jury cleared him of murder and he has since admitted manslaughter.'


 
Much as I sympathise with the reaction of the victim of the theft, appropriate and proportional use of force?

'This is the dramatic moment a vigilante driver killed a thief who stole his bike from outside his home by ramming him off the road.

'Police released the CCTV of the fatal chase showing motorbike passenger Joshua Molloy being thrown off the bike and into a lamp post.

'Mihai Dinisoae was jailed yesterday for 10 years for the manslaughter of Molloy following a high-speed chase through Newcastle. He was cleared of murdering the 28-year-old following a trial at Newcastle Crown Court. Police said Molloy and an associate stole Dinisoae's motorcycle from outside his home.

'CCTV showed the high speed pursuit over several miles in the early morning of May 5. Dinisoae was seen driving the wrong way round roundabouts and using his vehicle to repeatedly ram the motorcycle. After knocking the thieves off his bike, Dinisoae left them both severely injured in the street. Emergency services attended the scene but Molloy died at the scene. The 29-year-old motorcycle driver was taken to hospital with serious injuries but survived.

'Dinisoae was arrested by police hours after the collision and admitted he had pursued the men but claimed they had lost control and he did not cause the collision. Last month a jury cleared him of murder and he has since admitted manslaughter.'


Smart work we need more of this sort of thing.
Shame one of them lived and is now using NHS resources.
Bloke deserves a reward from crime stoppers.
No loss.
 

Slime

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Much as I sympathise with the reaction of the victim of the theft, appropriate and proportional use of force?

'This is the dramatic moment a vigilante driver killed a thief who stole his bike from outside his home by ramming him off the road.

'Police released the CCTV of the fatal chase showing motorbike passenger Joshua Molloy being thrown off the bike and into a lamp post.

'Mihai Dinisoae was jailed yesterday for 10 years for the manslaughter of Molloy following a high-speed chase through Newcastle. He was cleared of murdering the 28-year-old following a trial at Newcastle Crown Court. Police said Molloy and an associate stole Dinisoae's motorcycle from outside his home.

'CCTV showed the high speed pursuit over several miles in the early morning of May 5. Dinisoae was seen driving the wrong way round roundabouts and using his vehicle to repeatedly ram the motorcycle. After knocking the thieves off his bike, Dinisoae left them both severely injured in the street. Emergency services attended the scene but Molloy died at the scene. The 29-year-old motorcycle driver was taken to hospital with serious injuries but survived.

'Dinisoae was arrested by police hours after the collision and admitted he had pursued the men but claimed they had lost control and he did not cause the collision. Last month a jury cleared him of murder and he has since admitted manslaughter.'



The thief made an active an deliberate choice to break the law, and to steal something from another person.

One thing for sure is that he won’t be doing it again.
 
What's interesting is the guy that had his bike nicked acted exactly as you would if you came from a country where the Police are focused elsewhere and don't do anything to protect the populace from this sort of thing and require you to take things into your own hands.

Luckily, we...

Ah...
 
WRT the unfortunate incident with the bike, the police hardly covered themselves in glory on facebook...

The case drew a strong reaction when Northumbria Police posted about it on its Facebook page.

The force wrote: 'Regardless of the circumstances leading up to Josh's death, his family have been robbed of a loved one and we are glad that Dinisoae will now face a significant spell behind bars.'

'Please be kind to each other and show respect. If you watch the video compilation of this offender's driving you will agree the streets are safer with him behind bars.'

Before his death, Molloy shared a number a videos of travellers on his Facebook page and attended the Appleby Horse Fair in Cumbria last year.

CCTV shows moment motorist chases two thieves riding his stolen motorbike and RAMS them off road | Daily Mail Online

Should the dead chap 'Josh' have show a little respect to others and their property? Maybe a little kindness in not trying to steal other's property...

What would have realistically happened had the victim, the real victim ie the target of the theft, phoned the police to report the theft?
 

Joshua Slocum

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WRT the unfortunate incident with the bike, the police hardly covered themselves in glory on facebook...





CCTV shows moment motorist chases two thieves riding his stolen motorbike and RAMS them off road | Daily Mail Online

Should the dead chap 'Josh' have show a little respect to others and their property? Maybe a little kindness in not trying to steal other's property...

What would have realistically happened had the victim, the real victim ie the target of the theft, phoned the police to report the theft?
S.F.A.
Police have not got the resources
however if the motorcycle owner loved his machine that much, he should have
A made bloody sure it was locked and chained up and out of sight
B fitted a tracking device, its so much easier to let them park it someplace, then drive over with a reception commitee and recover your property using reasonable force, you may also locate other stolen motorcycles
 

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