The Jill Dando case again

ugly

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#1
Perhaps Michael Foot will be happy in his grave:Clicky
If one speck of alleged microscopic evidence was used to convict him then perhaps the late campaigner from Private Eye was right. Being weird is no justification for forcing a confession under duress and bullying of a wealk willed man.
I'm sure the posters in here that knew him will have their own views but I am sure now as I was then that we will be paying compensation for this cock up of the Mets and an example of poor detctive work. Instead of looking for the real killer find another Colin Stagg and fit him up!
 
#2
The same weak willed man found guilty of an assault, found guilty of attempted rape, who stalked countless women, who lied about his wherabouts on the day and gave false alibis.

Who broke into Kensingtone Palace wearing a balaclava and armed with a knife.

A man who carried knives and with an obsession for guns and who took photographs of female celebrities from his TV screen.

I'm sure it couldn't possibly have been him eh?
 

ugly

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#5
Anyway, locking up freaks because they dont fit in with society in case they do things went out with burning catholics and gypsies in this country. If he is gulity then hang him, if not then dont manufacture evidence, find something decent and throw away the key!
 

ugly

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#6
Paul Foot, all those old imperial measurements confuse me now!
 
#7
ugly said:
Anyway, locking up freaks because they dont fit in with society in case they do things went out with burning catholics and gypsies in this country. If he is gulity then hang him, if not then dont manufacture evidence, find something decent and throw away the key!
Yes, the good old days...aaaah!
 
#8
ugly said:
Anyway, locking up freaks because they dont fit in with society in case they do things went out with burning catholics and gypsies in this country. If he is gulity then hang him, if not then dont manufacture evidence, find something decent and throw away the key!
Shut it you slaaaaag! (In best Jack Reagen voice)

:D
 

ugly

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#10
I for one believe in locking up or just offing the wierdos, the problem with having no death sentence is that a lenient or more senile judge may let them out in 10 years time wheras dead men dont often get to the court of appeal. Until we reverse this we must be very careful about who we lock up at HM pleasure! We the taxpayer will only end up paying for it later!
 
#11
The only bit of "hard" evidence was a single questionable microscopic particle of what was said to be "firearms residue" 1/10,000 th of an inch across. Just the one.

There is nothing else worth a damn apart from the fact he is an odd character with some history: Barry George was interviewed as a suspect in the Rachael Nickell case so had a "profile". Last time I looked that was not enough to bang somebody up for life.

The trouble with that is the particle "matched" those found on Dando only in that they were composed of the same elements so all it proved is that both came from a propellant. It does not at all prove that the particle came from the murder weapon used. The possibility that the particle had come from a blank firing gun, or even a firework, simply could not be ruled out.

The defence forensic scientist, not exactly a lightweight, was clear:

“It is my view that this evidence is not reliable as evidence of the defendant’s involvement in the shooting… There is no particular reason why this particle can be so related to the shooting of Miss Dando.”

Worst of all the jacket where the particle was found had been removed from a bag and placed upon a work surface in a photographic studio that housed ammunition.

Items found at the crime scene, such as the projectile, brass and even Jill Dando’s front door (where the bullet lodged after passing through her head) were in the same studio.

The search team, who recovered the jacket, had not worn forensic clothing whilst searching George’s flat. One of the officers who was present, and who had handled the jacket, had handled ammunition whilst wearing the same clothing and there were a number of armed officers in and out of the place, all of whom were highly likely to have "firearms residue" on them.

Like it or not, there is and always has been a very, very weak case against him.
 
#12
The thing is we only know the bits that the press bothered to publish. The jury heard every bit of evidence , not just the defence specialist who we might say "He would say that wouldn't he". I'm sure that all twelve were of at least average intelligence and would have weighed all the evidence , a case was not brought simply because of that one grain . With DPP attitude to not bringing a case unless it's on extremely good grounds I'd be prepared to accept the courts decision especially as he has had two bites of the cherry. I sometimes wonder if these appeals are brought for legal or financial reasons.
 
#14
Don't care. Jill Dando had big norks and he denied me the right to look at her lumpy jumper on the 6 o'clock news. Git.
 

ugly

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#15
I had a nice close up, I was on the boat trip in Disney that she did a program on, nice lumps!
 
#16
What it boils down to is who do you trust most? Twelve men and women who listen to the evidence and come to a decision or, three high court judges who listen to the legal arguments.
 

ugly

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#17
Remember that those 12 are directed by a judge on what is and isnt acceptable as evidence and also the evidence submitted by the prosecution would be weighted in the prosecutions favour. CPS would have been under as much pressure to secure a conviction for a high profile case such as this. They are politically appointed at the highest levels. They may even have overidden police doubts at case reviews. No witnesses, no DNA, no murder weapon, ropey motive and a tiny scrap of evidence which could be found in most rooms of my house. I wouldnt hang my pension on the safety of this conviction.
 
#18
In that case ...If the trial judge were to be held to account every time he/she mis-directed a jury. Judge doing a month or two for each year the innocent man spends in jail - perhaps we would then see either a better judicial system or the high courts would over-throw fewer cases.

It is just a thought - accountability at all levels and all that!
 

The_Duke

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#19
ugly said:
Remember that those 12 are directed by a judge on what is and isnt acceptable as evidence and also the evidence submitted by the prosecution would be weighted in the prosecutions favour. CPS would have been under as much pressure to secure a conviction for a high profile case such as this. They are politically appointed at the highest levels. They may even have overidden police doubts at case reviews. No witnesses, no DNA, no murder weapon, ropey motive and a tiny scrap of evidence which could be found in most rooms of my house. I wouldnt hang my pension on the safety of this conviction.
And the evidence for the defence would be weighted in the defence's favour. Strangely enough, that is how it works in court.
 
#20
I doubt if Barry George could muster enough physical coordination, focused effort and general competence to kill himself never mind Jill Dando.

There is somebody walking around out there who has a little smile to himself whenever he hears either of those two names.
 

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