The jap Soldier

#1
I seem to remember reading a comment by John Masters in The Road Past Mandaley, that ALL jap soldiers where trained infantrymen and therefore serious oposition despite what was their employment.
Dose anyone have knowledge on jap training ?
john
The only book I have read on jap troops is 'Japanese Soldiers Talking' a collection of short indevidual tales, told by the troops in action.
 
#2
I know that a large amount of Jap training after 1936 was in China where the majority of Jap recruits had to bayonet at least a couple of Chinese Civilians (logs as they called them) as part of their training. Given the shite state of their other arms its quite likely that everyone was Infantry first.
 
#3
armchair_jihad said:
I know that a large amount of Jap training after 1936 was in China where the majority of Jap recruits had to bayonet at least a couple of Chinese Civilians (logs as they called them) as part of their training. Given the shite state of their other arms its quite likely that everyone was Infantry first.
I think the 'logs' were actually the ones used by Unit 731, not the ones used for training. Not sure though.

But remember, the Japanese were the victims of western brutality in WWII :roll:

They were all expected to be warriors however. I've read a few times that the Waffen SS structure and doctrine was actually loosely based on the IJA.
 
#4
Chief_Joseph said:
I think the 'logs' were actually the ones used by Unit 731, not the ones used for training. Not sure though.
No that was their term for all Chinese.

And what unprovoked brutality that the Allies inflicted on them are you talking about?
 
#5
Chief Joseph:

Quote:

"But remember, the Japanese were the victims of western brutality in WWII "

I'm VERY interested in seeing/hearing what you are talking about or refering to here as well.
 
#6
Actually, that was sarcastic commentary on the revisionist history that for so long has white-washed over Japan's brutal and barbaric crimes (hence the rolling eyes icon). My history book ommitted any references to unit 731, the Nanjing massacre (or anything that happened in China for that matter), the Baatan Death march, the Manilla Massacre.

When I visited China I saw with my own eyes the skeletons of the Nanjing massacre's victims





 
#7
In defence of CJ, it's fair to say that Allied troops - especially after seeing the way Japanese troops behaved to prisoners and wounded - didn't actually go out of their way to take Japanese prisoners. I can recall a documentary which showed American Marines on their way to some Pacific battle getting briefed about exactly that. They were left in no doubt about not taking prisoners.
And, old British soldiers I've spoken to also make it plain they couldn't, and didn't, trust Japanese prisoners. However, they all showed a reluctant respect for the Japanese soldiers fighting ability. I remember one telling me that, ''the only way to beat those b@stards was to keep killing them 'till there were none left''.
 
#8
armchair_jihad said:
I know that a large amount of Jap training after 1936 was in China where the majority of Jap recruits had to bayonet at least a couple of Chinese Civilians (logs as they called them) as part of their training. Given the shite state of their other arms its quite likely that everyone was Infantry first.
Here are a couple of websites that have some info on the WW II Jap Army.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Imperial_Japanese_Army

http://www.diggerhistory3.info/japan/
 
#10
From Wiki
"commands from superior officers were equivalent to commands from the Emperor himself."
" the War Minister was held accountable only to the Emperor himself, and not to the elected civilian government. "

Explains much about obedience to orders also the comment that the army was Infantry dominated.
However any ideas as to why any jap unit could be expected to FIGHT.
I always remember the 200,000 Brits at Singapore.
john
 
#12
Reaching for my trusty book case I find:

Williams, P and Wallace, D. (1989): Unit 731, The Japanese Army's Secret of Secrets, London, Hodder & Stoughton.

It is a very good account of this particularly evil unit and the crimes it committed against both Chinese civilains as well as Allied POWs in their biological warfare experiments, including live disections.

Prisoners used for drastic human experimentation were known as "marutas" which translates as logs (p: 36).
 
#13
Gahhhhh! Hoisted by my own petard!

Can I also add will everyone read to the bottom of the thread to avoid making un coq of the themselves.

When will everyone actually READ and THINK about a post before replying please?

See this :roll:

See it in CJs post.
But remember, the Japanese were the victims of western brutality in WWII :roll:
Do you think that might be indicating that CJ was making something other than a straightforward observation?
 
#14
Thanks CutLunch
 
#15
I can commend "The Knights of Bushido" by Lord Russell of Liverpool.

Harrowing.
 
#16
Gents we are getting away from the object of the original post.
The question is why where ALL jap units good at infantry work ?
Their medical experiments are well documented, and I am not asking about their navy or air force.
Any ideas ?
john
 
#17
That question is rather tedious if all units were good infantry units because I am sure that we, the US and other armies have infantry units that are less well trained than others!

Therefore, it is irrelevant if they were all trained infanteers.

Infantry skills are like all other skills.... there to be honed otherwise they become rusty!

I suppose though, that they did enjoy infantry training as I remember a program on Sky or discovery that in the defensive phase cooks and mechanics were doing the same job as the infantrymen!
 
#19
Thank you RT for a positive answer. I'll try and get hold of sum books on my next UK trip.
I know I am asking on an obscure subject, but my old lad fought in Burma and he had an hatred of jap not a normal feeling for my father who was not an agressive person.
Yesterday I was given loan of 'A Sapper in the Forgotton Army' which I hope will provied more answers then questions.
john
 

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