The Infantry - clearly far too big.

#1
My Bn returned from NI in December and deployed on Op TELIC in April. My Coy needed 2 x WR with it but there were no Armd Inf available as they were all either preparing for, on or just back from TELIC. Therefore I sent 3 crews to train during Op TELIC, so my manning suffered. Our BG is crippled by SF support roles and static tasks so that routinely we can deploy (as a BG) a Coy. My troops have absolutely no rest. In one day there were 13 x T2 heat casualties in the city as a cordon was put in place and, in 55c and 60% humidity, there were no troops to relieve them on the cordon as they pushed over 10 hrs.

There are 20yr old LI soldiers on their third Op TELIC. When the Staffords came on their recce for TELIC 9 the recce group actually came from BATUS. These boys had done TELIC 6, then done a training year (never at home) and are coming on TELIC 9.

In Afghanistan NATO are crying out for more troops. There are British troops in contact every day for over 30 days. The Gren Gds left TELIC 8 early to begin training for HERRICK.

During all of this I have looked around me and one thought struck me. "The Infantry is far too large. We need to loose a few Bns."

This is an issue separate from the end of the Arms Plot and the creation of new Regiments. It’s a simple question of capacity.

Madness…
 
#3
BedIn

Do more with less. They've given you bowman *cough*, what else could you ask for? You're getting more and more all expenses paid (bar your council tax back home etc etc) visits to exotic locations, all courtesy of HMG.

Perhaps on Telic and Herrick the soldiers could be given a summer recess like the House of Commons gets - although I'm sure soldiers don't work as hard and aren't subject to the same pressures.

I reckon you can skim off another Btn or two, just to pay for the increasing costs of Telic and Herrick, without losing any operational capability...

Moral has never been better, isn't that right BedIn? (oh, and not a shot fired) :D
 
#4
They could have based the 3 battalions of Royal Irish in Ballykinler, changed us to the GS role and sent us on tours from there. But no! Instead they disband us. :(

Great Forward thinking. :roll:
 
#5
I look forward to BedIn's posts.

The ongoing BOWMAN saga was perfectly summarised by him earlier this year....... and now the Infantry deployment, deployment, deployment ( is that a good title for a TV show or what ) problem.

Stick with it Laddo, the first 22 years are the hardest. If ever we get to meet, the first cold beer is on me. Keep telling it like it is, it helps me put my comfort zone in perspective.
 
#6
what you need are more consultants to show you how to work smarter not harder :twisted:
 
#7
brighton hippy said:
what you need are more consultants to show you how to work smarter not harder :twisted:
Is that so they can put even less than 3500 troops into an area the size of Wales? Why not just go the wholehog and get PWC or KPMG to run the war - oh, I forgot, they only "advise" and then run away when it goes tits up
 
#8
Do we actually need the Infantry at all? Could their roles not be replaced in these enlightened times with contracted teams of leafleters, focus groups and marketeers. Backed up, should things get really hairy, for rapid reaction multi issue demonstrators drawn from a UK University pool, reinforced by welfare claimants on rotation?
 
#9
I totally agree with you Bedin , A lot of the Recce regiments are in the same boat or even worse , and a Recce regiment is 20% smaller than an Inf regiment in the same role . Its a poor state of affairs and who knows whats going to happen with Herrick .Ref the Grens , they did short tour in Iraq for Herrick training but it was there first Telic so for the Grens ''Welcome to our world''.

Is it going to ease off ? I have no idea but it needs to as its too much for both Inf and Cav units at the moment .
 
#11
Your stretched but not over stretched.

Honest, there is no over stretch. The Secretary of state for defence said so just the other day.

The CGRM said he could get more work out of less men and Gen Jackson said somethig similar.

No more talk of being over worked, you Hear? Why some MP's (politicians not Monkeys) have to work as many as two or three hours a week and you dont hear them complaining do you?

Regards Cardinal
 
#12
Jesus Christ - we are presiding over the slow death of some of the finest Infantry in the world!

I am glad I am no longer serving as an Infantryman!

I would not recommend a career in the Infantry today to my worst enemy let alone any of my family, relatives or friends!.

It is certainly no longer the Army I joined and was proud to do my 22 with!

I certainly agree with one poster above who encourages BedIn to 'keep telling it as it is' - we need this sort of authoritative imput into the reality of life. It needs to be made public as loudly and as often as those who post them have the time and the courage to do so!

Regards and best wishes
 
#13
Meanwhile, civil servants from the MoD, FCO, etc. will be attending the Oracle Openworld Conference in San Francisco this October.

The event will be held in California's largest convention center and exhibition hall and offers, aside from the opportunity to network with other Oracle users, its own shoe shine, tap and brew and massage booth.

http://www.oracle.com/openworld/attendees/exhibition-experience/index.html

Nice work if you can get it......
 
#14
FrogPrince said:
Meanwhile, civil servants from the MoD, FCO etc. will be attending the Oracle Openworld Conference in San Francisco this October.

The event will be held in California's largest convention center and exhibition hall and offers, aside from the opportunity to network with other Oracle users, its own shoe shine, tap and brew and massage booth.

http://www.oracle.com/openworld/attendees/exhibition-experience/index.html

Nice work if you can get it......
My God!!! Have you not told the Scary Mail yet?? This is just their sort of story.
 
#15
Ooh, hands up who think we should start deploying the OTCs? ;)

(Please note, definately not a serious suggestion!)
 
#16
We need to start using our resources better. Especially with threats of supplying troops to Sudan on the Horizon. What jobs could some of the corps take over.

We all know that the signals have tonnes of blokes who never actually do their trade unless in times of war. So get them on Lydd ranges/Salisbury plain and get them deployed in ground holding tasks just like we do with the RA.

I'm Sure the RLC have "A few blokes to spare" too.

The Staffords really have sh1t out on this one!
 
#17
Bad_Crow said:
We need to start using our resources better. Especially with threats of supplying troops to Sudan on the Horizon. What jobs could some of the corps take over.

We all know that the signals have tonnes of blokes who never actually do their trade unless in times of war. So get them on Lydd ranges/Salisbury plain and get them deployed in ground holding tasks just like we do with the RA.

I'm Sure the RLC have "A few blokes to spare" too.

The Staffords really have sh1t out on this one!
Not sure if your post was tongue in cheek or having a go, but ill assume tongue in cheek. Although commonly known as the Really Large Corps it doesnt mean we have "blokes to spare". You have to bear in mind, with my trade especially of about 200 odd blokes that we have 20 odd in Herrick, 20 odd just come back, 20 training to replace the 20 out there. 10 training the new lads, 7 inspecting UK units, 7 inspecting Germany units, 5 in a storage Depot, 5 in NI, 1 Kenya, 3 in Falklands, 4 in BATUS, 1 Unit on NRF and the rest will replace all of the above at some time or other in next 12 months.
If we were not doing our "trade" and was patrolling etc who would provide the fuel for the R+R flight (when it works!), the fuel for the WMIK or the fuel for the genny. And besides you really wouldnt want certain people in our Corps doing your job(!).
But i whole heartedly agree that less ceremonial duties will release the other Inf lads getting pinged for Herrick/Telic.
 
#18
CH512O said:
I'm Sure the RLC have "A few blokes to spare" too.
Possibly - but I know of one TA RLC Squadron (nominal strength 100 - but up to a third are untrained at any time) that has sent officers/soldiers on TELIC 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6 & now 9 (albeit in decreasing numbers for obvious reasons), as well as a few for the current HERRICK.

I think that's not bad for volunteers, myself (and probably not the only instance). So cap badge slagging whilst, obviously, being incredibly funny and original, only gets you so far really.
 
#19
As we all know - cutting the infantry when our committments were increasing was, and remains, utter madness. Political and senior officer spin cannot disguise this fact.

Getting non-inf to do inf roles is only a short term solution - they are keen but they do not have the expertise or experience; in the same way that we would be lost trying to work out the logistical supply chain or building a bridge. We would give it a go but the results would not be as good as the specialists (no matter what we think of them).

This has been proved time and again; non-inf can be great but they can be vulnerable due to a lack of understanding of how to behave on the ground, whether in contact or not. Your profile sends out an important message to the community; the way that you get involved with them - when to be assertive, when not to be etc.

Last year, in a prolonged riot, non-inf, despite being on the ground, hung back. They were clearly out of their depth - this is not a criticism but a reflection on their lack of experience and expertise.

It is a dangerous road that we travel when suddenly everyone can get on the ground and perform in the inf role. Hythe/Lydd can only do so much - if it were otherwise we could spend less time at CIC, on ex etc. Maybe we would then find the quality of life that is always advertised in the glossies for joining up......
 
#20
Macks said:
Ooh, hands up who think we should start deploying the OTCs? ;)

(Please note, definately not a serious suggestion!)
Why not? It was done in 1902. Cambridge UOTC even got a battle honour out of it so it can't be a bad idea






...Durch!
 

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