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The Implementation Thread.

you’d have to ask the U.K. companies that do it today (I’d assume that most of them would be geography closer to the Scottish port than to the English ones or it could be cost Or it could be time sensitive)

you’d also need to ask why most NI exports Off the island of Ireland do so via Dublin Port

yes it is to do with the EU as per the WA

it isn’t my/Ireland’s border in the Irish Sea it is the EU & Boris’s

Boris signed up to it, Westminster ratified it and QE2 assented to it !

but of course the EU is to blame

Not travelled to Stranraer have you?
 
To quote the Withdrawal Agreement:



Article 5
Customs, movement of goods
1. No customs duties shall be payable for a good brought into Northern Ireland from another part of the United Kingdom by direct transport, notwithstanding paragraph 3, unless that good is at risk of subsequently being moved into the Union, whether by itself or forming part of another good following processing.
The customs duties in respect of a good being moved by direct transport to Northern Ireland other than from the Union or from another part of the United Kingdom shall be the duties applicable in the United Kingdom, notwithstanding paragraph 3, unless that good is at risk of subsequently being moved into the Union, whether by itself or forming part of another good following processing.
No duties shall be payable by, as relief shall be granted to, residents of the United Kingdom for personal property, as defined in point (c) of Article 2(1) of Council Regulation (EC) No 1186/2009 (1), brought into Northern Ireland from another part of the United Kingdom.
2. For the purposes of the first and second subparagraphs of paragraph 1, a good brought into Northern Ireland from outside the Union shall be considered to be at risk of subsequently being moved into the Union unless it is established that that good:
(a)will not be subject to commercial processing in Northern Ireland; and
(b)fulfils the criteria established by the Joint Committee in accordance with the fourth subparagraph of this paragraph.
For the purposes of this paragraph, "processing" means any alteration of goods, any transformation of goods in any way, or any subjecting of goods to operations other than for the purpose of preserving them in good condition or for adding or affixing marks, labels, seals or any other documentation to ensure compliance with any specific requirements.
Before the end of the transition period, the Joint Committee shall by decision establish the conditions under which processing is to be considered not to fall within point (a) of the first subparagraph, taking into account in particular the nature, scale and result of the processing.
Before the end of the transition period, the Joint Committee shall by decision establish the criteria for considering that a good brought into Northern Ireland from outside the Union is not at risk of subsequently being moved into the Union. The Joint Committee shall take into consideration, inter alia:
(a)the final destination and use of the good;
(b)the nature and value of the good;
(c)the nature of the movement; and
(d)the incentive for undeclared onward-movement into the Union, in particular incentives resulting from the duties payable pursuant to paragraph 1.
The Joint Committee may amend at any time its decisions adopted pursuant to this paragraph.
In taking any decision pursuant to this paragraph, the Joint Committee shall have regard to the specific circumstances in Northern Ireland.
3. Legislation as defined in point (2) of Article 5 of Regulation (EU) No 952/2013 shall apply to and in the United Kingdom in respect of Northern Ireland (not including the territorial waters of the United Kingdom). However, the Joint Committee shall establish the conditions, including in quantitative terms, under which certain fishery and aquaculture products, as set out in Annex I to Regulation (EU) No 1379/2013 of the European Parliament and of the Council (2), brought into the customs territory of the Union defined in Article 4 of Regulation (EU) No 952/2013 by vessels flying the flag of the United Kingdom and having their port of registration in Northern Ireland are exempted from duties.
4. The provisions of Union law listed in Annex 2 to this Protocol shall also apply, under the conditions set out in that Annex, to and in the United Kingdom in respect of Northern Ireland.
5. Articles 30 and 110 TFEU shall apply to and in the United Kingdom in respect of Northern Ireland. Quantitative restrictions on exports and imports shall be prohibited between the Union and Northern Ireland.
6. Customs duties levied by the United Kingdom in accordance with paragraph 3 are not remitted to the Union.
Subject to Article 10, the United Kingdom may in particular:
(a)reimburse duties levied pursuant to the provisions of Union law made applicable by paragraph 3 in respect of goods brought into Northern Ireland;
(b)provide for circumstances in which a customs debt which has arisen is to be waived in respect of goods brought into Northern Ireland;
(c)provide for circumstances in which customs duties are to be reimbursed in respect of goods that can be shown not to have entered the Union; and
(d)compensate undertakings to offset the impact of the application of paragraph 3.
In taking decisions under Article 10, the European Commission shall take the circumstances in Northern Ireland into account as appropriate.
7. No duties shall be payable on consignments of negligible value, on consignments sent by one individual to another or on goods contained in travellers' personal baggage, under the conditions set out in the legislation referred to in paragraph 3.
Article 6
Protection of the UK internal market
1. Nothing in this Protocol shall prevent the United Kingdom from ensuring unfettered market access for goods moving from Northern Ireland to other parts of the United Kingdom's internal market. Provisions of Union law made applicable by this Protocol which prohibit or restrict the exportation of goods shall only be applied to trade between Northern Ireland and other parts of the United Kingdom to the extent strictly required by any international obligations of the Union. The United Kingdom shall ensure full protection under international requirements and commitments that are relevant to the prohibitions and restrictions on the exportation of goods from the Union to third countries as set out in Union law.
2. Having regard to Northern Ireland's integral place in the United Kingdom's internal market, the Union and the United Kingdom shall use their best endeavours to facilitate the trade between Northern Ireland and other parts of the United Kingdom, in accordance with applicable legislation and taking into account their respective regulatory regimes as well as the implementation thereof. The Joint Committee shall keep the application of this paragraph under constant review and shall adopt appropriate recommendations with a view to avoiding controls at the ports and airports of Northern Ireland to the extent possible.
3. Nothing in this Protocol shall prevent a product originating from Northern Ireland from being presented as originating from the United Kingdom when placed on the market in Great Britain.
4. Nothing in this Protocol shall affect the law of the United Kingdom regulating the placing on the market in other parts of the United Kingdom of goods from Northern Ireland that comply with or benefit from technical regulations, assessments, registrations, certificates, approvals or authorisations governed by provisions of Union law referred to in Annex 2 to this Protocol.
Article 7
Technical regulations, assessments, registrations, certificates, approvals and authorisations
1. Without prejudice to the provisions of Union law referred to in Annex 2 to this Protocol, the lawfulness of placing goods on the market in Northern Ireland shall be governed by the law of the United Kingdom as well as, as regards goods imported from the Union, by Articles 34 and 36 TFEU.
2. Where provisions of Union law made applicable by this Protocol provide for the indication of a Member State, including in abbreviated form, in markings, labelling, tags, or by any other means, the United Kingdom in respect of Northern Ireland shall be indicated as "UK(NI)" or "United Kingdom (Northern Ireland)". Where provisions of Union law made applicable by this Protocol provide for the indication in the form of a numeric code, the United Kingdom in respect of Northern Ireland shall be indicated with a distinguishable numeric code.
3. By way of derogation from Article 13(1) of this Protocol and from Article 7 of the Withdrawal Agreement, in respect of the recognition in one Member State of technical regulations, assessments, registrations, certificates, approvals and authorisations issued or carried out by the authorities of another Member State, or by a body established in another Member State, references to Member States in provisions of Union law made applicable by this Protocol shall not be read as including the United Kingdom in respect of Northern Ireland as regards technical regulations, assessments, registrations, certificates, approvals and authorisations issued or carried out by the authorities of the United Kingdom or by bodies established in the United Kingdom.
The first subparagraph shall not apply to registrations, certifications, approvals and authorisations of sites, installations or premises in Northern Ireland issued or carried out by competent authorities of the United Kingdom, where the registration, certification, approval or authorisation may require an inspection of the sites, installations or premises.
The first subparagraph shall not apply to veterinary certificates or official labels for plant reproductive material that are required by provisions of Union law made applicable by this Protocol.
The first subparagraph is without prejudice to the validity, in Northern Ireland, of assessments, registrations, certificates, approvals and authorisations issued or carried out, on the basis of provisions of Union law made applicable by this Protocol, by the competent authorities of the United Kingdom or by bodies established in the United Kingdom. Any conformity marking, logo or similar required by the provisions of Union law made applicable by this Protocol which is affixed by economic operators based on the assessment, registration, certificate, approval or authorisation issued by competent authorities of the United Kingdom or by bodies established in the United Kingdom shall be accompanied by the indication "UK(NI)".
The United Kingdom in respect of Northern Ireland may not initiate objection, safeguard or arbitration procedures provided for in provisions of Union law made applicable by this Protocol to the extent that those procedures concern the technical regulations, standards, assessments, registrations, certificates, approvals and authorisations issued or carried out by competent authorities of the Member States or by bodies established in Member States.
The first subparagraph does not prevent the test and release by a qualified person in Northern Ireland of a batch of a medicinal product imported into or manufactured in Northern Ireland.

there is no customs declaration currently!

when trailer arrives from U.K. in Belfast it will be subject to UCC. Therefore it must be cleared through customs. That means a customs SAD and a Customs routing. Has the IT system been updated to allow the changes and increased volume?

depending on that routing it can be delivered, documentation inspection or goods examination & documentation Inspection, which requires sufficient infrastructure, has it been built?

Has the means to worked out to prevent diversion into the EU yet and a means to try to ensure NI SMEs Don’t have to pay tarriffs upfront so it doesn’t effect their cash flow.

none of these are insurmountable issues but they (Jointly) need to look at how to do it, make decisions, inform industry so that they can prepare and put the measures in place and that takes time. Time isn’t something that is on our (collectively) side todo this.

nothing here is about point scoring, the future trading relationships etc etc it is about Implementation of Brexit.
That's all just devine. Unfortunately for you WTO is becoming more and more likely. You've been gang banged by the EU and you're about to get a bill for the pleasure, in the form of tax harmonisation and the Southern states sticking the begging bowl out.. Good luck. Still it made Varadker, feel all tough and superior until he spotted the train coming.

P. S. Do you think the UK, will be bunging you another loan to pull you out of the shit as per 2008?
 
but of course the EU is to blame
Well, in that respect, it is.
we all signed Lisbon, you didn’t implement the Customs arrangements and there was no formatted EUropean Customs formation ready.
secondly, the EU couldn’t be arsed to work out what the CTA meant in reality.
thirdly if you haven’t been making declaration for NI the cat‘s out of the bag, you been failing to implement Intrastat. Well what a surprise. You are after all a separate state for the purposes of the EU. GFA was therefore a cop out for that non entity called the EU.
 
Well, in that respect, it is.
we all signed Lisbon, you didn’t implement the Customs arrangements and there was no formatted EUropean Customs formation ready.
secondly, the EU couldn’t be arsed to work out what the CTA meant in reality.
thirdly if you haven’t been making declaration for NI the cat‘s out of the bag, you been failing to implement Intrastat. Well what a surprise. You are after all a separate state for the purposes of the EU. GFA was therefore a cop out for that non entity called the EU.
Intrastat is not a customs declaration!

Ireland implements the UCC & Interstat fully
 
That's all just devine. Unfortunately for you WTO is becoming more and more likely. You've been gang banged by the EU and you're about to get a bill for the pleasure, in the form of tax harmonisation and the Southern states sticking the begging bowl out.. Good luck. Still it made Varadker, feel all tough and superior until he spotted the train coming.

P. S. Do you think the UK, will be bunging you another loan to pull you out of the shit as per 2008?
Not for NI it isn’t ... only the people of NI can change that

WTO rules, FTA, sanctions whatever

Boris has already said (and it is U.K. Law) that NI remains in the UCC
 
That's all just devine. Unfortunately for you WTO is becoming more and more likely. You've been gang banged by the EU and you're about to get a bill for the pleasure, in the form of tax harmonisation and the Southern states sticking the begging bowl out.. Good luck. Still it made Varadker, feel all tough and superior until he spotted the train coming.

P. S. Do you think the UK, will be bunging you another loan to pull you out of the shit as per 2008?
Not for NI it isn’t ... only the people of NI can change that

WTO rules, FTA, sanctions whatever

Boris has already said (and it is U.K. Law) that NI remains in the UCC
 
when trailer arrives from U.K. in Belfast
As a minor point, a trailer arriving in Belfast from Newry or Lisburn will also be arriving from the UK. NI is in the UK.

it will be subject to UCC. Therefore it must be cleared through customs. That means a customs SAD and a Customs routing. Has the IT system been updated to allow the changes and increased volume?
You've said a number of times that goods arriving in NI from the rest of the UK must be cleared through customs. You quoted a big block of WA text, but were not specific as to what parts of this apply to your statement. Could you please point out to me which paragraphs state this? I am not disputing you on this, but I am saying that if this is indeed the case it is not obvious to me where in your quoted text this is covered.

Has the means to worked out to prevent diversion into the EU...
This was covered by your quoted text. The decision will be apparently be based on whether it is being further processed in NI, the destination of the good, the nature and value of the good, the nature of the movement, and how much incentive there is for onward movement into the EU from NI. In other words, they seem to be taking a risk based approach and mainly concerned with stopping large scale smuggling.
 
Intrastat is not a customs declaration!

Ireland implements the UCC & Interstat fully
Intrastat is part of the declaration system, or perhaps you fill one in when you go down the shops. Of course Ireland Implements intrastate fully :mrgreen:. Do please remind me how long you were a customs officer for?
 
Intrastat is part of the declaration system, or perhaps you fill one in when you go down the shops. Of course Ireland Implements intrastate fully :mrgreen:. Do please remind me how long you were a customs officer for?
Intrastat is for goods movements within the EU and is used for statistics. As there is free movement of goods.

customs declarations are used for movements Outside the EU.
 
Intrastat is for goods movements within the EU and is used for statistics. As there is free movement of goods.

customs declarations are used for movements Outside the EU.
Oh good we're getting to the nub.
Now the original C88 layout had the status box, this determined if it was an export or intra community goods. Do you remember the TTCN box, that feeds intrastat and it's linked to the licence indicator which is an obligatory to fill in whether it is an export or not because it's also linked to the CAP and Processing relief fields. Irrespective of what the EU said no C88 no movement. Now simplified procedure allowed for CMR's i.e invoices intra community but the companies had to notify intrastat of the movement and it was that that the VAT officer looked for in relation to claimed exported goods relief. Got me? good.!Don't try to bamboozle me. I did exports and imports exclusively between 1987 and 1996 at various ports, reconciled C88 t forms with agents until transferring to passenger work then and was frequently asked to help out with Carnets and the like way after that. Before that I worked in Customs intel and Collectors office so I know how the money gets collected and apportioned and the scams traders got up to. The whole point of Harmonised documents was they would be used either for export/import or intra community movements.
 
Not for NI it isn’t ... only the people of NI can change that

WTO rules, FTA, sanctions whatever

Boris has already said (and it is U.K. Law) that NI remains in the UCC
There is no valid economic reason for the UK doing any form of trade deal with the EU. WTO rules would work perfectly fine from 1st January 2021 for all businesses as long as the infrastructure is in place everyone predicted utter chaos on the 1st February this year it simply didn't happen though personally I would prefer us to rejoin EFTA.
 
There is no valid economic reason for the UK doing any form of trade deal with the EU. WTO rules would work perfectly fine from 1st January 2021 for all businesses as long as the infrastructure is in place everyone predicted utter chaos on the 1st February this year it simply didn't happen though personally I would prefer us to rejoin EFTA.

But the WA Issue still stands it is a completely different issue to the future trading relationship.
 
But the WA Issue still stands it is a completely different issue to the future trading relationship.
Why, what relevance does the WA have to internal control? The whole WA is about the control of trade and the relevance to it of the ECJ, which you might have noticed is now being challenged by Germany in terms of the validity against the Grundgezetz. Now whoever loses that one, It could be bye bye EU or farewell national laws- which we incidentally will not be part of. You know that thing about Kartoffelsalat- one's guessing the Irish Tseosach is watching that one very carefully.
 
But the WA Issue still stands it is a completely different issue to the future trading relationship.
Yes fully agree on WA my point was Switzerland copes with trading globally and with trading with the EU thru EFTA there is no reason the UK cant.
 

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