The House of Lords fights on for liberty!

#1
There is still some hope that these ridiculous bills may be defeated. Even if they are not, they will be rendered unworkable by public opposition.


http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/4758258.stm
Home Secretary Charles Clarke has criticised the House of Lords after it defeated government plans to outlaw the "glorification" of terrorism.
Peers voted down ministers' plans by 160 votes to 156, a majority of four.

It is the second time the Lords have voted against keeping the term in the Terrorism Bill. MPs reinstated it two weeks ago after the first Lords defeat.

Mr Clarke said he was "disappointed" and that he would seek to restore the term when the bill returned to MPs.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/4758696.stm
Peers 'to fight on' over ID cards

The ID cards bill will return to the Lords, after MPs voted in favour.
Conservatives and Lib Dems in the House of Lords say they will continue to oppose identity card plans despite MPs rejecting their earlier objections.
Ministers say anyone getting a passport should have to get an ID card and be registered on a database. Opposition peers say people should have a choice.

Sources predict "protracted conflict" between the Lords and the Commons.

Peers will not seek to defy MPs over earlier demands for an estimate of the full costs before the scheme's launch.

They had wanted the government to be obliged to set out how much the scheme would cost before the Identity Cards Bill came into force.

Earlier this month, MPs backed plans to oblige everyone applying for passports from 2008 to also get an ID card. About 20 Labour backbenchers rebelled against the government.

This vote overturned earlier Lords objections to the plan.

If the Lords and the Commons continue to differ over the issue the bill could theoretically "ping-pong" between them, until one side gives way or a compromise is reached.
 
#3
At least the House of Lords sre doing their best to represent the population of this country!
Far more than our "elected" representatives are doing
 
#4
jagman said:
At least the House of Lords sre doing their best to represent the population of this country!
Far more than our "elected" representatives are doing
You reckon that a bunch of rich and privileged nobs can ever be representative of the population? Rubbish...they're in it for number one. Just like the house of commons.
 
#5
PoisonDwarf said:
jagman said:
At least the House of Lords sre doing their best to represent the population of this country!
Far more than our "elected" representatives are doing
You reckon that a bunch of rich and privileged nobs can ever be representative of the population? Rubbish...they're in it for number one. Just like the house of commons.
I've no doubt you are absolutely right :lol: but at least a modicum of sense comes out of the upper house, unlike the raving lunacy pouring out of Downing Street
 

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