The Haka

#1
Now I like New Zealand. The country is beautiful, the people are nice, their rugby team are excellent and their Sauvignon Blanc is excellent. But one thing about New Zealand really perplexes me and in some cases winds me up.

The Haka.

I can understand the tradition of doing it before rugby games and in genuine Maori settings. But it seems that this Maori war dance filters into every element of Kiwi life now. Recently on social media I saw that somewhere in France the NZDF Maori Cultural Group were doing a Haka for some WW1 anniversary. They do it at weddings. Funerals. Graduations. ANZAC day. You name an occasion and someone is doing a Haka for it.

Is it a bit cringy seeing a group of often predominantly white Europeans (after all the Maoris barely account for 15% of the population) doing an ethnic war dance?
 
#4
Now I like New Zealand. The country is beautiful, the people are nice, their rugby team are excellent and their Sauvignon Blanc is excellent. But one thing about New Zealand really perplexes me and in some cases winds me up.

The Haka.

I can understand the tradition of doing it before rugby games and in genuine Maori settings. But it seems that this Maori war dance filters into every element of Kiwi life now. Recently on social media I saw that somewhere in France the NZDF Maori Cultural Group were doing a Haka for some WW1 anniversary. They do it at weddings. Funerals. Graduations. ANZAC day. You name an occasion and someone is doing a Haka for it.

Is it a bit cringy seeing a group of often predominantly white Europeans (after all the Maoris barely account for 15% of the population) doing an ethnic war dance?
Most groups tend to have their own haka: marae, iwi, school... it's a group identity.

Have you been through a powhiri yet?
 
#6
At least it's a bit more macho than way back when:
 
#7
Have to admit, I love seeing a good Haka. Best one I've seen was New Zealand squaddies doing a massive one on the square to honour one of their war dead from Afghan I think. If one of the above posted videos are it, then I apologise, I'm on DII and cant see the vids.
 
#8
Have to admit, I love seeing a good Haka. Best one I've seen was New Zealand squaddies doing a massive one on the square to honour one of their war dead from Afghan I think. If one of the above posted videos are it, then I apologise, I'm on DII and cant see the vids.
This is the one.

 
#11
I also think it rather strange seeing white New Zealanders doing a Haka. Most have their roots firmly in Europe, with over 80% being of European ethnicity.

I have yet to see any of the following at any sporting event/wedding/funeral/Circumcision:

White South Africans doing a Zulu war dance
White Americans doing Native American dances
White Americans taking part in Soul Train


The list is rather endless.
 
#12
Oh Christ, not another haka thread.

Yeah, they probably over-do it, but at least it's harmless. Next door it would be, "I saw that somewhere in France the NZADF Maori Cultural Group Australians were doing a Haka having a piss-up for some WW1 anniversary. They do it at weddings. Funerals. Graduations. ANZAC day. You name an occasion and someone is doing a Haka having a piss-up for it."

As for white guys doing it, Maori do, say, eat, wear, etc. all manner of things brought to NZ by the colonisers. Why should it not go the other way occasionally?

When they do it at international sporting events I love seeing the facial expressions of the opponents who've never seen it before.
 
#14
This is the one.

Thanks for showing that again. It is the only haka that ever moves me.
(Notice the armed snipers on the periphery, traditional, just in case some enemy bastards try to sneak up)
 
#15
I also think it rather strange seeing white New Zealanders doing a Haka. Most have their roots firmly in Europe, with over 80% being of European ethnicity.

I have yet to see any of the following at any sporting event/wedding/funeral/Circumcision:

White South Africans doing a Zulu war dance
White Americans doing Native American dances
White Americans taking part in Soul Train


The list is rather endless.
Immigrants assimilating with the culture of the country they live in, what's not to like

As a group activity it seems to be full of respect and a powerful sign of solidarity
 
#17
Love the Haka, and think it is great that all "Kiwi's" embrace it.
People need to remember, that the Maori were never "beaten" totally, and that the "British" ended up signing the Treaty of Waitangi.
Since then NZ has embraced both Maori and British culture.
 
#18
I also think it rather strange seeing white New Zealanders doing a Haka. Most have their roots firmly in Europe, with over 80% being of European ethnicity.

I have yet to see any of the following at any sporting event/wedding/funeral/Circumcision:

White South Africans doing a Zulu war dance
White Americans doing Native American dances
White Americans taking part in Soul Train


The list is rather endless.
White New Zealanders, most having their roots firmly in Europe... Not surprising, where else do white people originate from???

NZ history is based off that of the European and Maori and by default that of the NZDF and Army. The traditions practiced are a combination of the two. The Haka historically is a challenge issued to a visitor prior to either being welcomed in if friendly or engaged if not. It was also used to intimidate enemy and/or to rally the warriors prior to or during battle and to honor fallen. Sporting teams use it in a similar way and also as a way to thank supporters.

Within the NZDF each Bn or unit has there own and its more about Unit identity, pride and history than where your great grandfather came from. That being said it can get over done within the military being made a "Rent a Hori" or part of "Haka Bludge" having to do haka's for every random visitor of some apparent seniority.

Why are your yet to see the following?
White South Africans doing a Zulu war dance
White Americans doing Native American dances
White Americans taking part in Soul Train

The Africans in general are to busy pretending to forget they were recently shooting each other whilst collectively flushing their country down the loo
The Americans are to busy worried about Tweets, Trump and how great they are, than the race they almost wiped out or how to develop rhythm.
 
#19
Thanks for showing that again. It is the only haka that ever moves me.
(Notice the armed snipers on the periphery, traditional, just in case some enemy bastards try to sneak up)
Cpl Luke Tamatea, one of the 3 fallen served as a Sniper within 2/1. That's why there is a sniper escorting him to the RV/hand over to Family. For escorting fallen soldiers off the parade ground sometimes the Inf Bn's will have Snipers and Recce pers lead the party with FSG Gun wagons as escort.
 
#20
A touch of thread drift....

Probably going over old ground here but working (and playing) with the NZ Ranger Squadron (SAS) in Borneo back in the 60's was always a pleasure.
Do any of the older Kiwi's on here know what happened to Teaspoon and Snooks? Two ace guys amongst a team of ace guys. Good back-up in a fracas too!
 
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