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The guts to tell the truth....Sgt Stephen Brown RM

#1
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/6179120.stm

The government is facing fresh claims that British troops in Afghanistan are facing shortages of vital equipment.

Sgt Stephen Brown of the Royal Marines has complained his men do not have enough ammunition and equipment, and have to use inappropriate vehicles.

He told reporters in Helmand Province: "Countless times we have put in requests for what we need extra, and it has not arrived."

But the MoD and senior officers insist there is enough equipment for the job.

"Providing our forces with equipment that is both fit for purpose and effective in theatre is an absolute priority," the MoD said.

"In the past few years a range of new systems have been introduced which have significantly enhanced our troops' capability, including new improved body armour, new vehicles and a range of new weapons."

Meanwhile, the MoD's biggest purchases will be delivered almost three years late on average, the National Audit Office has said.

It looked at orders for equipment such as air-to-air missiles, armoured vehicles, radios and submarines.

And MPs along with armed forces sources have told the BBC aircraft in the RAF's fleet, currently being used for operations in Iraq and Afghanistan, urgently need replacing.

On Thursday, it emerged that troops in Afghanistan had faulty ammunition for a month and had to borrow from other Nato forces.

The complaint from Sgt Brown comes after a marine in his unit, Gary Wright, was killed by a suicide bomber in Helmand on 19 October.

Marine Wright, 21, died while on patrol in a Land Rover. A sergeant with him was injured.

Sgt Brown said that among the shortages faced by troops were heavy vehicles, such as "Wimiks", which are stripped down and heavily armed Land Rovers.

He said while a heavier vehicle might not have prevented Gary Wright's death, it might have prevented his injuries.

He also said there was a shortage of thermal imaging sights, which register body heat and which would show a bomber's explosives against his body, and of grenades launched from rifles.

"We need different vehicles and more weaponry," he said.

"Everything could be improved. It's the lack of kit that needs to be addressed. Countless times we have put in requests for what we need extra, and it has not arrived."

'Realistic'

But Lieutenant Colonel Andy Price, of the Royal Marines, said there were enough grenades available, and added heavy vehicles were inappropriate to patrol in narrow streets in built-up areas.

He said: "Every commander would love to have infinite resources but we are realistic.

"If we ask for 30 more Wimiks there's only one place they are going to come from in the short term and that's Iraq.

"We don't want to take kit away from them. What we ask for has to be something essential.

"The commander's view is that he has enough kit to carry
 
#3
Aye read the article myself in The Mail, good on him though I cant help but feel the poor fella will be stacking blankets in Lympstone before he knows whats hit him :roll: :roll:
 
#4
polar69 said:
Nice to see the snco's putting their heads above the parapet only to have it blown off by his own side

That sergeant's career is as good as over now, whereas the Lieutenant Colonel's will get a very welcome boost. That's the value of being a yes man and lying as opposed to being a real man and telling the truth.
 
#5
Yeah, thanks boss for backing me up. Is it true that the paras refused to go out on patrol because of the cr@p ammo they were supplied with?

It seems clear to me who showed real leadership quality here, and it wasn't the officer. If someone asks you have you got everything you need, for God's sake speak up, you can be sure everything is swept under the carpet at the higher levels. I wouldn't care too much about my career if I thought I might die at any time because of cr@p kit. If a few more people stepped forward might just see a change in attitude.
 
#6
Sgt Stephen Brown of the Royal Marines has complained his men do not have enough ammunition and equipment, and have to use inappropriate vehicles.
LION


Lieutenant Colonel Andy Price, of the Royal Marines, said there were enough grenades available, and added heavy vehicles were inappropriate to patrol in narrow streets in built-up areas.
DONKEY


NUFF SAID
 
#7
Very difficult. You are doing a crap job with crap equipment and the lives of you and your guys are at stake: you don't feel that COC is supporting you. A Journo asks you the pertinent question. How do you respond?
 
#8
Beentheredonethat said:
Very difficult. You are doing a crap job with crap equipment and the lives of you and your guys are at stake: you don't feel that COC is supporting you. A Journo asks you the pertinent question. How do you respond?
The way one should always respond to journo's ..... fuk off and die !!!

Then kick down your MP s door and and do some serious finger pointing and tell it like it is !!!
 
#9
Things want to be speeded up to get the tasty bit of kit out to Ghan that was at the Combined Arms Firepower & Manoeuvre Demonstation on Salisbury Plain. (Either WIMIK or tripod mounted.)

I don't know if the full info is in the public domain yet so I'll leave it at that.
 
#11
gunfighter said:
Beentheredonethat said:
Very difficult. You are doing a crap job with crap equipment and the lives of you and your guys are at stake: you don't feel that COC is supporting you. A Journo asks you the pertinent question. How do you respond?
The way one should always respond to journo's ..... fuk off and die !!!

Then kick down your MP s door and and do some serious finger pointing and tell it like it is !!!
Whilst I'm up for a bit of door kicking in, I think that some journos are actually helping at the moment. Getting the dramas noticed.
 
#12
#13
In the history of British military campaigns we have always overcome shortages of manpower and resources through discipline, courage resourcefulness and determination (apologies for the Churchillian language).

The cost has always been the same - soldiers.

Swiss Des has no cred with the Treasury and the AF will never be supplied to the standard they require. In any other civvie occupation there's recourse to Human Rights and Health & Safety etc. AF are not in the same category.

None the less, hats off to Sgt Brown for speaking his mind and a hairy dogscock up the arrse to his CO.
 
#14
And what do they mean when when they say 'We have enough but if we had more we could do more' ? Does this mean that they need more to do the job properly. Or does it mean that we will never subdue the Taliban with what we have and therefore the campaign will go on for eternity? I always thought you overcome the opposition by overwhelming force? And why is the Secretary General of NATO pleading for more troops and equipment if we have enough? So can someone please tell me what is meant by WE HAVE ENOUGH BUT IF WE HAD MORE WE COULD DO MORE? I think a little clarification is needed!
 
#15
Skynet said:
And what do they mean when when they say 'We have enough but if we had more we could do more' ? Does this mean that they need more to do the job properly. Or does it mean that we will never subdue the Taliban with what we have and therefore the campaign will go on for eternity? I always thought you overcome the opposition by overwhelming force? And why is the Secretary General of NATO pleading for more troops and equipment if we have enough? So can someone please tell me what is meant by WE HAVE ENOUGH BUT IF WE HAD MORE WE COULD DO MORE? I think a little clarification is needed!
Link please read it twice canot find this!
WE HAVE ENOUGH BUT IF WE HAD MORE WE COULD DO MORE?
 

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