"The gloves are off"... in Pakistan

#1
Interesting article in the Asian Times just now:

KARACHI - Pakistani authorities have compared Saturday evening's devastating truck suicide attack on the Marriott Hotel in the capital Islamabad to the September 11, 2001, attacks on the United States.

In terms of its psychological effect, the blast, which killed more than 80 people, injured hundreds and burnt out the hotel, has traumatized the nation, and, like 9/11, marks the beginning of a new battle: this time not the "war on terror", but the war by terrorists.
http://www.atimes.com/atimes/South_Asia/JI23Df01.html


Of particular note:

the US has bought a huge plot of land at Tarbella, several square kilometers, according to sources directly handling the project. Recently, 20 large containers arrived at the facility. They were handled by the Americans, who did not allow any Pakistani officials to inspect them.

Given the size of the containers, it is believed they contain special arms and ammunition and even tanks and armoured vehicles - and certainly have nothing to do with any training program.
Also a rather lucky escape for the Pakistani leadership, owing to a last minute change of dinner plans.

http://ap.google.com/article/ALeqM5hkiMxbHNH0BqgpWA2ZG6VD6wVTmAD93BO3M00

As you can imagine this very recent event is dominating the agenda in Pakistani Diaspora at the moment, previous brouhahas around border OP's seem consigned to the sidelines. Will this represent the beginning of a watershed event for Al-Q & Taliban support among the wider Pakistani community?
 
#2
So it may have been aimed at taking out the leadership. Interesting times ahead in Pak I think.
 
#3
Oh how living in interesting times... is getting hotter and hotter. OS methinks between the credit crunch and the new wild west that stabilty is something that is off the agenda anywhere sandy for a while
 
#4
halo_jones said:
Oh how living in interesting times... is getting hotter and hotter. OS methinks between the credit crunch and the new wild west that stabilty is something that is off the agenda anywhere sandy for a while
Stability ha, oil overpriced influencing the cost of just about everything else. Two wars we're involved with making the military unable to do anything else. World food shortages, militant islamists upping the ante in a nuclear armed Pakistan. Money markets in turmoil, job losses reaching new highs. Russia throwing its weight around and tweeking NATOs nose daring us to respond.

I'm predicting a major war somewhere myself, lets face it we're long overdue one based on recent history.
 
#6
Ord_Sgt said:
I'm predicting a major war somewhere myself, lets face it we're long overdue one based on recent history.
the terrorist percieve weakness and the opportunity to spread their influence by force, not unlike the axis countries in the 30s.

As has been said on this site, history repeats itself over and over. It is a good job we have been preparing for it over the last decade and not cutting back on defense. :roll:

edited to add;

so, how will this effect the relationship with the US. bbc clicky
 
#7
Ord_Sgt said:
halo_jones said:
Oh how living in interesting times... is getting hotter and hotter. OS methinks between the credit crunch and the new wild west that stabilty is something that is off the agenda anywhere sandy for a while
Stability ha, oil overpriced influencing the cost of just about everything else. Two wars we're involved with making the military unable to do anything else. World food shortages, militant islamists upping the ante in a nuclear armed Pakistan. Money markets in turmoil, job losses reaching new highs. Russia throwing its weight around and tweeking NATOs nose daring us to respond.

I'm predicting a major war somewhere myself, lets face it we're long overdue one based on recent history.
yuppers...and while i have an ounce of sympathy for humanity there are far to many blarting mouth breathers and darwin rules...

Once it does go to the wire though at least my tribe will be well dressed :wink:
 
#8
I'm not optimistic for the future. In Russia's attempt to broaden it's sphere of influence it's talking about arming all sorts of nations, look at the wars in Africa for the results of the last time they did that. This in turn will embolden those countries, with tacit Russian backing, to push the boundries, but when some of these countries have nukes or are actively attempting to gain them, a bit of a nightmare scenario presents itself. In the case of the fanatical islamists they don't value life in the same way we do so they won't fight by our rules.

I don't think terrorism is coherent enough to threaten national governments, Spain not with standing, any more than it was in the 60's, 70's, 80's or nineties. The next big war will be fought between nation states and its going to be messy.

Still I get to wear green again as I'm still in the Regular Reserve. Then again I'm not sure what they could do with someone who's been away for 11 years, meat into the grinder maybe. Hmmm not good. 8O
 
#9
well i am to old now and my reserve service liability got halved in the TA, i worry not so much about terrorism domestic or otherwise the fact that resources are finite and the human race breeding way to fast is the tipping point.
 
#11
Afghanistan suppose to become a focus of attention for the next US administration. So, what does the US do? 1. US infuriates Russia to the point it threatens to stop its cooperation with NATO over Afghanistan; 2. US goes out of its way to start the war in Pakistan!

:?
 
#13
feckemall said:
How long before there is speculation of an inside (CIA) job?

Oh, did I say that out loud?
Don't worry the Black Helicopters(TM) will be round shortly for your re-education...
 
#14
Wait until one goes off outside a big hotel in Dubai.
 
#15
feckemall said:
How long before there is speculation of an inside (CIA) job?

Oh, did I say that out loud?
Strangely enough, whilst fashioning myself some new headwear from bacofoil this morning that was pretty much my first thought.
Rather convenient for some people isn't it?
 
#16
jagman said:
feckemall said:
How long before there is speculation of an inside (CIA) job?

Oh, did I say that out loud?
Strangely enough, whilst fashioning myself some new headwear from bacofoil this morning that was pretty much my first thought.
Rather convenient for some people isn't it?
Thank God for ARRSE - I thought I was the only cynical b@stard thinking along those lines! 8O :twisted:
 
#17
It took all of exactly 3 seconds after the incident was reported on main media news for the Baco Foil Brigade to blame Amercia, via CIA operatives for the attack.

A few minor points discredit this common enough knee jerk reaction though:

1) It was a suicide bomb attack
2) Strategic long term objectives would have recieved a devasting blow if that attack worked & decapitated the entire state leadership of Pakistan
3) Fidayeen-e-Islam say they did it

Do the Google.
 
#19
In-Limbo said:
It took all of exactly 3 seconds after the incident was reported on main media news for the Baco Foil Brigade to blame Amercia, via CIA operatives for the attack.

A few minor points discredit this common enough knee jerk reaction though:

1) It was a suicide bomb attack
2) Strategic long term objectives would have recieved a devasting blow if that attack worked & decapitated the entire state leadership of Pakistan
3) Fidayeen-e-Islam say they did it

Do the Google.
It wasn't a suicide attack, Karl Rove did it with the same remote control handset he used to fly two jetliners into the WTC.

Which of course didn't collapse from 2 jetliners crashing into the towers anyway, but from explosives planted personally by Chimpy McBushHitler, the man so stupid that only he could plan and execute such a devious conspiracy and coverup....
 
#20
In-Limbo said:
It took all of exactly 3 seconds after the incident was reported on main media news for the Baco Foil Brigade to blame Amercia, via CIA operatives for the attack.

A few minor points discredit this common enough knee jerk reaction though:

1) It was a suicide bomb attack
2) Strategic long term objectives would have recieved a devasting blow if that attack worked & decapitated the entire state leadership of Pakistan
3) Fidayeen-e-Islam say they did it

Do the Google.
Sadly that kind of siht has already made it into 'mainstream' opinion.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2008/sep/23/pakistan.afghanistan

I was first on the outrage cart, as you can see :)
 
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