The Glorious Not Dead

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  1. I haven't found a thread on this yet, apologies if some bugger beat me to it.

    C4 tonight at 9, the Glorious Not Dead, about those men and women that made it home from wars, but suffered terrible physical and emotional scars.

    Timely shown when poeples minds are turned to the war dead, looks good from the adverts.
  2. "C4 tonight at 9, the Glorious Not Dead, about those men and women that made it home from wars, but suffered terrible physical and emotional scars"

    Reminder set, so it will be intersting to see how 'in depth' it goes, and how far the government will try to distract everyones attention from this 'problem'
  3. Biped

    Biped LE Book Reviewer

    Ta for the heads up. I'll be watching and learning.
  4. 2200 Ch4 not 2100 Forgotten Heroes: The Not Dead
  5. watched this and was a good programme - made me remember my dads ptsd tempers. Total respect to the servicemans wife who is now his main carer and support as the NHS & goverment as usual fell through.

    Really felt for the older man who came across the mother of his mate a few years later & had to go back to tell her he was there when Tommy died, gave her some peace but he obviously has none.
  6. I felt for the older man too, he really was abandoned by the system. I thought the programme was OK but I felt that some of the linking footage used was irrelevant to the point of detracting from the programme. For example, we kept seeing B/W footage of tramps and misfits drinking, fighting in some sort of derelict building. I sort of got it - i.e many PTSD sufferers end up on the street but the footage would not really convey this point to someone who knows little about the subject.

    I wish all three men featured all the best and more importantly and end to their suffering.
  7. Biped

    Biped LE Book Reviewer

    Heartbreaking stuff.

    I finished watching that program with the thought that forces personnel cannot simply go from cold to hot and then cold again without some form of climatisation.

    I believe that one of the reasons for the huge number of suicides after the Falklands is this very issue, where we had many, many soldiers who had trained and trained in peacetime, who then went in to a hot war, with all guns blazing and as much action as any man could expect, and then suddenly back to peace, with no time to re-adjust to a peacetime environment. I think that part of the PTSD issue with forces personnel is effectively 'culture shock' for want of a better description.

    The war-fighting role is so incredibly intense and all-consuming in terms of mental capacity, as well as physiological, that coming to a sudden stop, to simple 'normal' society with its (by comparison) meaningless choices and issues appears to be almost transparent in the eyes of those who have experienced and lived with an experience much, much greater in effect.

    I thought that the decision at CIMIC House with the PWRR to have post-action debriefs that focused more on the personal experience and feelings rather than command decisions was an excellent thing to do, though only those on the ground will be able to confirm what positive effects this has had.

    I think it would be a very, very good idea for anyone coming from a war-fighting role back to civilian society, whether this be leave, back to peacetime barracks or when leaving the forces, to have some form of specialist and sympathetic de-programming process, provided by experienced military professionals to take some of the edge off the transition.

    I also believe that such processes should in no way affect the career or record of the person concerned.

    PTSD is the body and mind's NORMAL reaction to the effect of EXTRAORDINARY and ABNORMAL situations and experiences, and thus, no judgement should be made about the individual when such a reaction requires treatment.

    Forces personnel suffering from PTSD are not ABNORMAL - they are merely feeling the effects of situations that take away from their considerable and laudable humanity. It is a humanity and normality that we have, as a society been trying to instill in people for thousands of years, and war takes this away.

    The personnel suffering the effects of war MUST be able to unload that horror and guilt, and they must be helped in trying to find the justification for their feelings, and where they sit in the world after such an experience.

    This process should be one of THE most important services that this government and the MOD provide to forces personnel. It is they, after all, who send them to places, to do jobs that hurt normal human beings. The duty of care is more important at such a time than any other.
  8. Talking to some of the 1Bn guys from CIMIC house, they said the style of after-action report helped, some don't believe that it did but there you go. We are all affected differently.

    The TV prog, while good and timely, was not what I thought it was going to be. The jump-cuts and arty camera stuff was a bit distracting, I don't think their stories needed to be jazzed up with fancy camera work.

    On another note, Eddie's wife must be the bravest person on the whole program. He found himself one a in million there.
  9. Biped

    Biped LE Book Reviewer

    It isn't going to be easy to get the requisite number of specialists employed in the forces to achieve this task, and having the political will . . . well we know all about that don't we! As you say, we all react differently, but the worst cases all suffer from guilt, rage, panic attacks and more.

    I thought the program was excellent, though I tend to agree with some of the shots of homeless guys, but only a little. It IS the end result for some of the more fortunate ones!?! A picture paints a thousand words, and I do believe that the effect of this film on civvies will have the desired effect of creating some sympathy for forces personnel, and anger at the situation; rightly so.

    My bold. He certainly did. She is an absolute star for being there for him through thick and thin. It was absolutely magic to see them share the poetry together, and it was abundantly clear that despite the horrors they've both endured, they love each other dearly.
  10. Did anyone else suddenly find they had grit in their eyes at certain points in the programme??? Very powerful stuff. The squaddie who served in Bosnia certainly has found one in a million. Hope all 3 get the peace they deserve.
  11. Excellent programme. In advance I didn't think I'd be watching it to the end, but camera tricks aside, it was really well worth watching.

    I identified most with the old bloke from Salford but each of them was very interesting. I learned a lot. Can you see it again on the computer?
  12. I thought it was immensly powerful. at times both uplifting, disturbing and upsetting. I also thought the poems read out by each of them were very good too. the fact that there as no commentator and it was left to the individuals to speak and tell their story was also a bonus.
    top stuff.
    and yes raf_liney, I certainly had 'grit' in my eyes during the programme too.
  13. Excellent programme, Eddie's story caused a few of my gremlins from Boz to re-surface though!
  14. spike7451

    spike7451 RIP

    Seen it advertised last week,only watched the first few minutes & saved the rest to watch tommorow night alone & in peace. The should be more done to help the lads with ptsd.