The Glocestershire Regiment Gets Shafted

#1
It now appears that the Gloucestershire Regiment will lose it famous second badge. This badge was awarded in 1801 when they fought the French Infantry in front of them and the French Cavalry that was attacking their rear. When the Gloucestershire Regiment merges with Devonshire/Dorset light infantry and the Royal Green Jackets to form the Rifles then this badge will disappear
 
#2
Really? I heard the Back Badge would be retained. On a similar thread will the Royal Welsh Regiment wear the 'Flash' following the amalgamation of the Royal Welch Fusiliers and the Royal Regiment of Wales? Will the RIFLES wear the rose on Minden Day?
 
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napier

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#5
There is no such thing as the Glocestershire (sic) Regiment. The Royal Gloucestershire, Berkshire and Wiltshire Regiment was formed in 1994 from an amalgamation of the Gloucestershire Regiment (28/LXI) and the Duke of Edinburgh's Royal Regiment (Berkshire and Wiltshire).

Although I think someone forgot to tell the Glosters this.
 
#7
FFS 8O - are there any other bloody Regiments in this cocking army than the flippin' Porridge Wogs and gloomy Glosters!!!!!? 8O And the "Glosters" haven't even existed for 10 years and they're still making everyone's life miserable! :D :D :twisted:

Rather than this twaddle ending up in the "Infantry" forum all the time, can't we have a "Gimp Suits, Brass Eyes and Budgies" forum specifically for ex-Glosters to bang on about the Back Badge TM and anyone else who wants to moan about losing some tedious item of Regimental regalia or start a petition to re-introduce shiny brasses on webbing and nicely wound puttees? Or to fight against the introduction of a system of regional names and recruiting because once that Cardwell bloke destroys the traditional Regimental numbering system the British Army as we know it will be gone for ever.

While we're at it, could we relegate all the "are the Guards harder than Delta Force and could the Light Division have the Spetnaz" crap somewhere else too? Not the Naafi bar, maybe some computer game website where 14 year olds who actually give a sh!t can debate it for ever.

Aaaaaaaargh!

Happy New Year 8)
 
#9
dogmonkey said:
Paoli,

Post of the year so far!

DM
May this lapsed infanteer offer his congrats for this post as well?

About the only bunch I feel sorry for in this whole affair are DM's mob, but only cos I did T1 with 'em! ;)

And 'Gloucestershire' was spelled wrong as well - so doubly shafted I guess.

And while I'm burbling about the RRF, what are the West Midlands Regiment called now, and is their RHQ still in Fallings Park? :?:
 
#10
Darth_Doctrinus said:
And while I'm burbling about the RRF, what are the West Midlands Regiment called now, and is their RHQ still in Fallings Park? :?:
As an ex-WMR man, I can tell you they're still WMR, but heading for 4 MERCIAN:

1st April 2006, companies reorganised:
HQ Company at Wolverhampton
A (Fusilier) Company at Sheldon, Birmingham with Pln at Coventry
B (Cheshire) Company at Crewe?, amalgamation of B Coy and D Coy, King's and Cheshire Regt
C (Worcestershire and Sherwood Foresters) Company at Kidderminster? and Mansfield?, amalgamation of C Coy WMR and D Coy East of England Regt
D (Staffordshire) Company at Burton-on-Trent and Stoke-on-Trent, amalgamation of C Coy and D Coy
E (Light Infantry) Company at Shrewsbury with Recce Pln at Hereford

24th August 2007: 4th Battalion, The Mercian Regiment (Volunteers)
HQ at Wolverhampton

So, the joyous and picturesque Fallings Park is safe as RHQ. Huzzah!
 
#11
Cheers Arfur.

Another for you - is A Coy still at Barrows Lane - I know I'm being a pain, but I can't get on mod.uk for some odd reason, and if I don't get this kit back to its owner, I'm a dead man! :D
 
#12
A (Fusilier) Company

TA Centre, Barrows Lane, Sheldon, BIRMINGHAM, B26 3BE
 
#14
Aye Paoli but would you be equally as derisive if the remnants of the Green Jackets lost THEIR regimental regalia in this sorryassed amalgamation? The Bloody Eleventh and the Glooms were regiments with a powerful history and were in existence a good hundred years before rifle regiments and black buttons emerged. So save the angst. To the old and bold of all the affected regiments seeing all they loved and fought for going down the tubes is a bitter pill to swallow.
 
#15
hows about amalgamating the Royal Engineers, the REME and the R.Sigs to create the REREMERS!??
That'll give the plodders something else to chunder on!
 

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#16
B-Dog,
The point is that people from other regiments that disappeared over 10 years ago don't talk about their regiments in the present tense. The Glooms don't seem to be able to realise that 1 GLOSTERS, proud as it was, became half of 1 RGBW - and to keep banging on about Gloster this and Gloster that is divisive and disrespectful to the other half of the Regiment. The DERR, although less famous, was just as good a Regiment and suffered just as much from the amalgamation (the Glosters in their last iteration only being an 1882 Cardwell amalgamation themselves). You dont hear ex-Dukes, however, chopsing on about losing the Brandywine Flash. The RGBWLI (as it now is) has a short but proud recent history, but the early plans for a divorce, with only the Glosters merging with the DandD and the DERR elements being absorbed into the PWRR was absolutely disgusting. This plan clearly came from the Gloster side of the family and highlights the lack of interest in the new Regiment from the influencial Gloster lobby.
 
#17
napier said:
B-Dog,
The point is that people from other regiments that disappeared over 10 years ago don't talk about their regiments in the present tense. The Glooms don't seem to be able to realise that 1 GLOSTERS, proud as it was, became half of 1 RGBW - and to keep banging on about Gloster this and Gloster that is divisive and disrespectful to the other half of the Regiment. The DERR, although less famous, was just as good a Regiment and suffered just as much from the amalgamation (the Glosters in their last iteration only being an 1882 Cardwell amalgamation themselves). You dont hear ex-Dukes, however, chopsing on about losing the Brandywine Flash. The RGBWLI (as it now is) has a short but proud recent history, but the early plans for a divorce, with only the Glosters merging with the DandD and the DERR elements being absorbed into the PWRR was absolutely disgusting. This plan clearly came from the Gloster side of the family and highlights the lack of interest in the new Regiment from the influencial Gloster lobby.
 
#18
Evidently I monged the above and there is no comment on the quote. "Not my fault sir. I haan't done the cadre."

This is how it should read:

Rumour has it that when the original plans for the dismemberment of the infantry came out in December 2004, the D & D were only willing to take on the Gloster element of RGBW into the new Bn because it was deemed that the DERR were too cockney to fit in to a zider drinking, uber-West Country Bn. A bit rich since that Bn was supposed to become part of the LI which recruits from such bastions of 'Northerness' as Durham. When light was shed on the manning of the D & D they were told to wind their neck in and make room in the bed for RGBW in its entirety. The Light Division as a whole has been far more charitable to the M4 Rifles than its so called sister regt the D & Ds.
 

napier

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#19
Lineinf,
I have no doubt that the DDLI (or Dandylions or Diddlys) were less than charitable, as they still insist that the upcoming amalgamation is 2/3 DDLI and 1/3 RGBWLI. Maybe there is some truth in their desire for merging only with the Glosters, but probably more to reinforce their 'I'm the daddy' status in the upcoming marriage than any desire to create a truly carrot crunching club: after all, as the DERR recruited from Wiltshire and Berkshire and were known as the Farmers Boys, I find it hard to believe that they would have been excluded for that reason. Maybe I'm biased (no, damn it, I am biased!), but the Glosters, from that fat f*cker General G**** down, fought the amalgamation before, during and after the event and undoubtedly saw a chance to resurrect, albeit only partially, their regiment at the expense of their 'partner' for the last 10+ years.
 
#20
O to have been a fly on the wall at a certain top table! Napier, you are probably right to say that the Dunkin' Donuts wanted an RGBW split because it would make them the dominant partner in an amalgamation. However you simply can't go out in public and admit to that so you talk about golden threads and regional identity.

As for old Glosters advocating the dissection of a cracking regt for the sake of what's left of their heritage, I can scarce take it in. If it were so, they have done a huge disservice to everyone who currently wears a backbadge, be they from Stroud or Swindon. The backbadge was awarded to soldiers who were loyal to each other, who stood back to back against the enemy. If you have to separate brothers in arms in order to preserve the badge, you have destroyed everything it stands for. RGBW greeted the announcement back in Dec 04 with utter dismay. A merger was grudgingly expected, be it with D & D or Mercian Regt, but to be the only regt chosen out of the whole of the British Army for disbandment was devastating. It is always nice when COs find out what is to become of their bn at the same time as every other punter on BBC1.

Thankfully current arrangements have invovled more consultation and take better care of the blokes.
 
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