The future of TA Officers

The future of TA Officers

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#1
Your thoughts....
 
#3
F**king hell, post two and some lunatic has a) Dragged it off topic and b) Brought up the HAC :roll:

msr
 
#4
Its bright its orange.

Providing that they keep the education and promotion in line with the Regs they will have a purpose and be able to bring a rounded well educated experienced Officer to the Bun fight. Its looking better than it did a few years ago.
 
#5
easesprings said:
Its bright its orange.

Providing that they keep the education and promotion in line with the Regs they will have a purpose and be able to bring a rounded well educated experienced Officer to the Bun fight. Its looking better than it did a few years ago.
Education does NOT equate to experience, operations do. Unless TA officers are employed on ops in role at most stages of their carreer they will be relagated to Wkpr, specialist and G9 type jobs. All a bit of vicious circle
 
#6
Hopkins said:
easesprings said:
Its bright its orange.

Providing that they keep the education and promotion in line with the Regs they will have a purpose and be able to bring a rounded well educated experienced Officer to the Bun fight. Its looking better than it did a few years ago.
Education does NOT equate to experience, operations do. Unless TA officers are employed on ops in role at most stages of their carreer they will be relagated to Wkpr, specialist and G9 type jobs. All a bit of vicious circle
Exactly my point going out on Ops and just doing Wkpr et al low role jobs, will mean they won't achieve the experience required
 
#7
Hopkins said:
Unless TA officers are employed on ops in role at most stages of their carreer they will be relagated to Wkpr, specialist and G9 type jobs. All a bit of vicious circle
And seeing as how CIMIC was the GOC's ME on TELIC6, I would think we are well placed...

But back to the thread: where do we stand now and in the future?

msr
 

The_Duke

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#9
Add a third button for "bit of both"?

I spend most of my time as a training facilitator to provide IRs to the regular Bns. The next time I deploy will probably be as a staff officer.
 
#11
I would wager that the majority of TA Officers joined up to neither be Trainers or Desk Wallahs.

Might this be a contributing factor the the recruiting and retention problems of TA officers?
 
#12
In all fairness, i want to become an Officer in the TA so that i can lead from a hands on approach, if its going to be a case of my responsiblities going down to sorting paper work out, i wouldn't even bother to try and put myself forward. I would have to struggle to become an Office in the first place, all my previous qualifications are vocational, if it is going to be a wasted effort then why bother?
Sparks
 

The_Duke

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#13
Sparks,

It really depends what unit you are going into. I can only speak for the Inf, but as a Pl Comd you could definately expect a tour in role within a FP company.

Duke
 
#14
I had an interview with my PSAO and i was told that if i did decide to go down this certain path and was successful, it would be a very much "hands - off" role in regards to Ground Work.

IE, i want to finish qualifications through the Army on a ground level, but personally believe i have the aptitude (Wrongly or not) and desire (Heartfelt) to become an Officer.
I was told, in short words, that it would most probably be one or the other.
 
#15
msr said:
Hopkins said:
Unless TA officers are employed on ops in role at most stages of their carreer they will be relagated to Wkpr, specialist and G9 type jobs. All a bit of vicious circle
And seeing as how CIMIC was the GOC's ME on TELIC6, I would think we are well placed...

But back to the thread: where do we stand now and in the future?

msr
Which is fine if you are in CAG, but surely someone who has trained as a scaley troop comd would aim to be deployed as such and gain the operational experience that next time round whould get athem a job as a scaley sqn comd.

extrader said:
TA officers are also leading platoons and companies, also patrols, so there is another alternative.
ET
Indeed they have - almost all the officers from my lot who have gone have been commanding patrols etc and of course there are those Inf (and gunner) Offrs who have gone with FP coys, but that desn't seem the norm across the TA at all.
 
#16
The_Duke said:
Add a third button for "bit of both"?

I spend most of my time as a training facilitator to provide IRs to the regular Bns. The next time I deploy will probably be as a staff officer.
Thats what I see from the outside, plus their is option number 4 for potential officers - join para's, marines, HAC, SAS, inf, arty etc as a tom. Quite a few on reading posts on this forum would go for that (as its more fun).

Just to digress a little, 1 Cdo was not formed from the regular army or the royal marines soldiers. Maybe that shows the thought process of the territorial soldier
 
#17
Oh dear.

TA Officers as good as regulars?

Maybe.

But only if they were good in the first place. You cannot indoctrinate a civvy to the extent that a regular officer has been institutionalised in a few weekends and an excuse for a course at Sandhurst - sorry.

TA officers bring all sorts of things to the party, over and above that of the regular officer, but not sufficient blind capitulation to regulations and procedure that a regular officer has inbred in him.

So?

Staff Officers and watchkeepers but .....so what?
 
#18
msr, I agree with The_Duke. How about a third button for a bit of both? That would probably get my vote and be in line with my experience.

That said, there is nothing wrong with being a training facilitator. I firmly believe that you can still be a highly effective and inspirational officer, setting a good example to your guys and girls, motivating them to do well and achieve much, and challenging them with interesting and varied training; you just have to be prepared to get your satisfaction from seeing them progress a little bit more than yourself - but then I was lucky to be educated by a number of very good SNCOs who left me in no doubt that my first thought was always to be what my boss wanted me to do, but my prime concern was my soldiers, who would or would not enable me to do it. I get the impression reading these threads that many TA Officers do not spend enough time making time to spend with their soldiers. For example - it's a bank holiday weekend (no TA training) so set aside half a day to catch up on paperwork so that when you're away with your unit next weekend you can spend your time with your soldiers being a LEADER.

Management can be done anytime, leadership can only be done when you get the chance to be with your soldiers.
 
#19
GOC2Div said:
an excuse for a course at Sandhurst - sorry.
did you really mean that? i was proud to pass that course.
 
#20
quiller said:
GOC2Div said:
an excuse for a course at Sandhurst - sorry.
did you really mean that? i was proud to pass that course.
Nothing personal old boy and I know that the course is demanding and the culmination of a lot of hard work, not least because you have another job. But to compare a 6 month intensive Sandhurst experience with a 3 week course (plus a few beat up weekends) is 'interesting' to say the least.

I'm not demeaning you or your peers, more a critique of the Sandhurst belief that the two are in some way comparable. Apples and pears. Indeed, the amount of continuation training required after the TA pass off speaks for itself.

I'm a long way from Sandhurst but the glaring imbalance of the expectations and training currently being peddled about keeps me awake at night.
 

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