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The freedom of information act as a WOMAD

TheIronDuke

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#1
I should maybe post this in 'Law' forum, but I went in there and the cobwebs made me sneeze.

Besides, others may find this uselful.

Besides, NAAFI has a view on most things. Even if it is only "Give yourself a slap, and snap to".

I've got a hassle, and would welcome an assist.

Ten years ago I flogged a car and sodded off to other climes.

Two years ago I started getting parking fines (Council) traffic violations (police) and DVLA violations (I assume road fund).

They will have me in court. And I dont have the docs from a car I have entirely forgot about.

They wish for me to appear in court three times, for offences I didnt commit, on account of I was 5,000 miles away at the time.

I think I should apply to the court(s) under the Freedom Of Information Act.

Anybody done this? I've done a Google, and got a bunch of .org.uk and .gov.uk addys.

And I would rather get advice from NAAFI than from Babylon, you know?
 
#3
Some time a go (couple of years) I had parking tickets start to appear for a vehicle that was stolen from me nearly ten years before. I called then wrote to the issuing authority telling them the new owner ( the insurance company that paid out for the loss) and nothing more was heard.
Have a look at the tickets and give the issuers a buzz ( you probably ought to have done that a while ago) you never know :)
 

TheIronDuke

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#8
Maninthestreet said:
Some time a go (couple of years) I had parking tickets start to appear for a vehicle that was stolen from me nearly ten years before. I called then wrote to the issuing authority telling them the new owner ( the insurance company that paid out for the loss) and nothing more was heard.
Have a look at the tickets and give the issuers a buzz ( you probably ought to have done that a while ago) you never know :)
Done that. They say they cannot supply the original tickets and docs 'due to a change of computer systems and attendent problems'.

So all I have got is a bunch of numbers and letters from Bailiffs. Hence the freedom of information act request. I'd like to see all the docs they have managed to lay hands on before I bool up before the Beak. And remind him of happy days at Eaton playing the Milky Biscuit Game.
 
#9
Look on the bright side. If the Courts claim it's your car then you can have the owner arrested for theft, sell the car (doubtless vintage by now) to raise money to cover the fines and maybe buy a round or two down the local.

And you'll have the satisfaction of knowing that you've a) shown up the inherent flaws and contradictions inherent in the system; and b) put an innocent man in jail. Job's a good 'un.
 
#10
smartascarrots said:
Look on the bright side. If the Courts claim it's your car then you can have the owner arrested for theft, sell the car (doubtless vintage by now) to raise money to cover the fines and maybe buy a round or two down the local.

And you'll have the satisfaction of knowing that you've a) shown up the inherent flaws and contradictions inherent in the system; and b) put an innocent man in jail. Job's a good 'un.
I think the point is, the car can't be traced as the authorities have gone back to the last registered keeper. The poster must not have completed the new owner/sold on part of the V5. Or it's on ghost plates and is a ringer. Which would make arresting the current owner for theft quite hard...
Or is it me being bone :?
 
#11
marco_poloroid said:
smartascarrots said:
Look on the bright side. If the Courts claim it's your car then you can have the owner arrested for theft, sell the car (doubtless vintage by now) to raise money to cover the fines and maybe buy a round or two down the local.

And you'll have the satisfaction of knowing that you've a) shown up the inherent flaws and contradictions inherent in the system; and b) put an innocent man in jail. Job's a good 'un.
I think the point is, the car can't be traced as the authorities have gone back to the last registered keeper. The poster must not have completed the new owner/sold on part of the V5. Or it's on ghost plates and is a ringer. Which would make arresting the current owner for theft quite hard...
Or is it me being bone :?
Oh well, back to the drawing board...
 
#12
marco_poloroid said:
smartascarrots said:
Look on the bright side. If the Courts claim it's your car then you can have the owner arrested for theft, sell the car (doubtless vintage by now) to raise money to cover the fines and maybe buy a round or two down the local.

And you'll have the satisfaction of knowing that you've a) shown up the inherent flaws and contradictions inherent in the system; and b) put an innocent man in jail. Job's a good 'un.
I think the point is, the car can't be traced as the authorities have gone back to the last registered keeper. The poster must not have completed the new owner/sold on part of the V5. Or it's on ghost plates and is a ringer. Which would make arresting the current owner for theft quite hard...
Or is it me being bone :?
your right, the onus rest's with the seller of the vehicle to complete the new keeper part of the v5 and post it off pronto to DVLA. Takes a while to filter through though!
 
#13
Matt007 said:
marco_poloroid said:
smartascarrots said:
Look on the bright side. If the Courts claim it's your car then you can have the owner arrested for theft, sell the car (doubtless vintage by now) to raise money to cover the fines and maybe buy a round or two down the local.

And you'll have the satisfaction of knowing that you've a) shown up the inherent flaws and contradictions inherent in the system; and b) put an innocent man in jail. Job's a good 'un.
I think the point is, the car can't be traced as the authorities have gone back to the last registered keeper. The poster must not have completed the new owner/sold on part of the V5. Or it's on ghost plates and is a ringer. Which would make arresting the current owner for theft quite hard...
Or is it me being bone :?
your right, the onus rest's with the seller of the vehicle to complete the new keeper part of the v5 and post it off pronto to DVLA. Takes a while to filter through though!
More to the point, if Royal Mail or (more likely) DVLA lose the slip then you've got no evidence anyway. If the prosecution can't find a copy of the original notices I think the court will throw it out.
 
#14
EX_STAB said:
Matt007 said:
marco_poloroid said:
smartascarrots said:
Look on the bright side. If the Courts claim it's your car then you can have the owner arrested for theft, sell the car (doubtless vintage by now) to raise money to cover the fines and maybe buy a round or two down the local.

And you'll have the satisfaction of knowing that you've a) shown up the inherent flaws and contradictions inherent in the system; and b) put an innocent man in jail. Job's a good 'un.
I think the point is, the car can't be traced as the authorities have gone back to the last registered keeper. The poster must not have completed the new owner/sold on part of the V5. Or it's on ghost plates and is a ringer. Which would make arresting the current owner for theft quite hard...
Or is it me being bone :?
your right, the onus rest's with the seller of the vehicle to complete the new keeper part of the v5 and post it off pronto to DVLA. Takes a while to filter through though!
More to the point, if Royal Mail or (more likely) DVLA lose the slip then you've got no evidence anyway. If the prosecution can't find a copy of the original notices I think the court will throw it out.
I think your pretty spot on here, there looks like a distinct lack of evidence and ofcourse it will come down to proving that he hadnt infact sold the car, easily disproven by the fact he left the country immediatly after selling the vehicle. Surely also the issuing authority will have to supply when and where the offences took place in the first place?
 
#15
Plus if you can prove you were not in the country at the time of the incidents there will be no case I'd also ask to see pics of the speeding offence should be easy to see it wasn't you driving if it was taken by a mobile unit
 
#16
That is the problem with this country, that used to be your car........... man up and take the rap!
DNA will prove you were in that car once......... better you kill yourself now you crim!!
 
#17
TheIronDuke said:
I should maybe post this in 'Law' forum, but I went in there and the cobwebs made me sneeze.

Besides, others may find this uselful.

Besides, NAAFI has a view on most things. Even if it is only "Give yourself a slap, and snap to".

I've got a hassle, and would welcome an assist.

Ten years ago I flogged a car and sodded off to other climes.

Two years ago I started getting parking fines (Council) traffic violations (police) and DVLA violations (I assume road fund).

They will have me in court. And I dont have the docs from a car I have entirely forgot about.

They wish for me to appear in court three times, for offences I didnt commit, on account of I was 5,000 miles away at the time.

I think I should apply to the court(s) under the Freedom Of Information Act.

Anybody done this? I've done a Google, and got a bunch of .org.uk and .gov.uk addys.

And I would rather get advice from NAAFI than from Babylon, you know?
Did you emigrate to Australia by any chance, and whilst there worked your way up the Judicial system to the heady heights of Judge.

If so you are Marcus Enfield and I claim my £5, still looking for an alibi then your (ex) honour.
 
#18
I think you should attend court, advising them before hand that you intend to plead not guilty due to not owning the vehicle on the date of the offences. On the day of the first hearing, they will hear your plea and set a date for trial. I would at that point ask that the other offences were heard on the same day (at the same trial), as your defence would be the same.

The CPS (Criminal Protection Service), would probably “take a view” on whether to proceed. Assuming the worst, that you do have a trial, then I would prepare for it by, 1). Trying to remember the date you sold the car and to whom (– cynically it matters not what you say providing you sound honest),
2), Evidence that you were in a sandy place at the time. (sworn statement from someone would do it)
3), Highlight that 10 years ago you didn’t receive a tax disc reminder, so had at that point thought it was all sorted.

The ostrich method of problem solving doesn’t work so you are going to have to address the problems.

Oh, and another thing, I didn’t go to Eton (Slough Grammar), and I’ve never played the milky biscuit game. But I do sit with a couple of others and make decisions for others who have not previously been very good at making decisions.
 
#19
TheIronDuke said:
I should maybe post this in 'Law' forum, but I went in there and the cobwebs made me sneeze.

Besides, others may find this uselful.

Besides, NAAFI has a view on most things. Even if it is only "Give yourself a slap, and snap to".

I've got a hassle, and would welcome an assist.

Ten years ago I flogged a car and sodded off to other climes.

Two years ago I started getting parking fines (Council) traffic violations (police) and DVLA violations (I assume road fund).

They will have me in court. And I dont have the docs from a car I have entirely forgot about.

They wish for me to appear in court three times, for offences I didnt commit, on account of I was 5,000 miles away at the time.

I think I should apply to the court(s) under the Freedom Of Information Act.

Anybody done this? I've done a Google, and got a bunch of .org.uk and .gov.uk addys.

And I would rather get advice from NAAFI than from Babylon, you know?
ID
I was in a similar situation, a car I sold 7 years ago as I left the country got some traffic violations, it took the Plod and Courts 4 years to track down my parents house and issue a court order. I phoned the court and explained my situation and that I had been out of the country, next time I was in the UK I had to go to a magistrates court and make a sworn statement that I had sold the car and not been in the UK when the offence occurred. That was it, I heard no more.
 

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