The Fourth Pillar - Trafalgar Square Art.

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Following on from a pregnant disabled woman and pieces of brightly coloured plastic, the 6 proposed sculptures for the fourth plinth at Trafalgar Square went on display at the National Gallery today. The choices are:

Jeremy Deller

The Spoils of War (Memorial for an unknown civilian)

‘The presentation of the spoils of war to a curious public dates back at least to the Roman Empire. My idea for the fourth plinth performs a similar role’, says Jeremy Deller, ‘It is not an artwork, but the remains of a vehicle that has been destroyed in an attack on civilians in Iraq’.

http://www.london.gov.uk/fourthplinth/plinth/deller.jsp
Basically a wrecked car ... thought that this type of 'sculpture' was abundant in South London already! IMHO this is an insult to the military heritage of the Square.

Tracey Emin

Something for the Future

For some years Tracey Emin has been interested in the social behaviour of meerkats, small mammals that live together in an egalitarian order in the Kalahari Desert, southern Africa. She has noticed that ‘whenever Britain is in crisis or, as a nation, is experiencing sadness and loss (for example, after Princess Diana’s funeral), the next programme on television is Meerkats United’. Emin proposes to place a sculpture of a small group of meerkats on the empty plinth as a symbol of unity and safety.

http://www.london.gov.uk/fourthplinth/plinth/emin.jsp
From dirty knickers on a bed to capturing Britains spirit with a depiction of meerkats ... BBBBAAAHHH Tracy, BBBBAAAHHH!

Antony Gormley

One and Other

Antony Gormley proposes that the fourth plinth is occupied 24 hours a day by members of the public who have volunteered to stand on it for an hour at a time. Over a period of 12 months, 8,760 people would take part. ‘Through elevation onto the plinth and removal from common ground’, explains Gormley, ‘the subjective living body becomes both representation and representative, encouraging consideration of diversity, vulnerability and the individual in contemporary society’. This is particularly pertinent in the context of Trafalgar Square with its military statues honouring specific individuals.

http://www.london.gov.uk/fourthplinth/plinth/gormley.jsp
Mmmm ... I can't be bothered with art so I'll get people to stand around!

Anish Kapoor

Sky Plinth

Sky Plinth literally brings the clouds down to the ground ‘displaying’ the changing sky-scape as a ‘monument’ on Trafalgar Square. The five concave mirrors cantilever off the plinth treating all its faces as supports. The plinth is thought of as an object which is dematerialised by the mirrors. They turn the world upside down and in so doing bring the sky down to the ground.

http://www.london.gov.uk/fourthplinth/plinth/kapoor.jsp
That'll be some mirrors then!

Yinka Shonibare

Nelson’s Ship in a Bottle

Yinka Shonibare proposes to make a scale replica of Nelson’s ship, HMS Victory, in a giant glass bottle. The ship’s magnificent sails will be produced in richly coloured and patterned textiles, which Shonibare buys from Brixton market in London. They are assumed to be African but in fact the fabric was inspired by Indonesian batik design, mass produced by the Dutch and sold to the colonies in West Africa. By the 1960s the material was popularly assimilated in Africa and became symbolic of African identity and independence. Shonibare says his piece will reflect the story of multiculturalism in London today, which began as a result of Nelson’s victory at the Battle of Trafalgar: ‘For me it’s a celebration of London’s immense ethnic wealth, giving expression to and honouring the many cultures and ethnicities that are still breathing precious wind into the sails of the UK.’

http://www.london.gov.uk/fourthplinth/plinth/shonibare.jsp
Close to the spirit of the place ... but in a bottle? The favourite apparantly!

Bob & Roberta Smith

Faîtes L’Art, pas La Guerre (Make Art, Not War)

This illuminated peace sign – powered by the sun and the wind – questions our ideas about history and monuments on the one hand, and art and war on the other. The work, which is a collaboration between renewable energy specialists, structuralengineers and an architect, seeks to rebrand Trafalgar Square as a beacon of our cultural future rather than a memorial to England’s military past. Bob & Roberta Smith believe in ‘the power of art to act as a social force as great and necessary to our lives as the police, the military and the judiciary’; their proposal is meant as a ‘gentle provocation to the overwhelming “Hogarthian” stature of Trafalgar Square as the centre of celebration of Britain’s military achievements over the French’.

http://www.london.gov.uk/fourthplinth/plinth/smith.jsp
Can't beat some 'gentle provocation' can you? Especially with something that looks like it came off the roof of the Moulin Rouge!

So, there are your choices ... which of the six would you choose? And if you had the opportunity what would you really put up there?
 
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What about one made by me... A huge C0ck and call it gordon BROON
 
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k13eod said:
So, there are your choices ... which of the six would you choose? And if you had the opportunity what would you really put up there?
All of the above "Artists".


On fire.
 
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With reference to the Gormley piece, why not ask for ex/serving servicemen/women to stand up there with a poster for HFH, therby filling the need to put something there and highlighting this worthwhile charity. Speaking of which, does anyone know how much was made by the Santalash charity drinkathon for HFH in December????
 
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The ship in the bottle is the best idea. The bottle will stop gobshites breaking bit off and taking them home.

How about a rifle, stuck in the ground by the bayonet with a Mk6 helmet on top and a set of ospray on the ground next to it. Done in marble with the rifle in bronze.

Something to celebrate the work being done in sandy places right now, as well a highlighting the cost of modern warfare.
 
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I was thinking something along the lines of a marble figure depicting a naked African rising from his knees, shackled but with broken chains. This would be a significant representation of Britains vital role in bringing to an end the slave trade as well as highlighting our multi-cultural society ...

... or a fcuk off big Dalek ... with real flashing lights, voice and working exterminator.
 
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This of course.
 

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There was a report last night on Channel Four News about this.

The gist of this was that we should have something new and relevant to occupy the space since no-one knows who Major General Sir Henry Havelock and General Sir Charles Napier et al actually were. Now leaving aside the fact that many of us do know who the men were and what they did, this struck me as a bit out of keeping with the Square’s ‘theme’ (for want of a better word).

They should really stick to someone military; Montgomery or Slim or similar.

Or how about a heroic representation of Arthur Bachelor sans i-Pod?


Edit: Balls. Beaten to it.
 
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Steven said:
This of course.
Well done mate! On a serious note (for once), there is nothing more apt than the Abandoned Warrior sculpture ... but it's not going to happen is it?
 
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k13eod said:
I was thinking something along the lines of a marble figure depicting a naked African rising from his knees, shackled but with broken chains. This would be a significant representation of Britains vital role in bringing to an end the slave trade as well as highlighting our multi-cultural society ...

... or a fcuk off big Dalek ... with real flashing lights, voice and working exterminator.
Luv it, plus it would also have the added bonus that 90+% of the chavvy population would at least have some idea of who it is, unlike something that would be relevant to people who have put their lives on the line. I can see this getting the vote from Red Ken.
 
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k13eod said:
Steven said:
This of course.
Well done mate! On a serious note (for once), there is nothing more apt than the Abandoned Warrior sculpture ... but it's not going to happen is it?
Sadly not. Well not while those in charge consist of the bunch of w@ankers that we have at present (and most of those waiting in the wings as well).
 
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Just a simply statue of Tommy Atkins to represent the ongoing contribution of the Soldier to maintaining our way of life.
 
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sorry to take the topic off tangent for a second, but could someone point me in the direction of some big photo's of the Abandoned Warrior sculpture, tried google but all i found was cartoons!
Thank you,

TMS
 
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k13eod said:
I was thinking something along the lines of a marble figure depicting a naked African rising from his knees, shackled but with broken chains. This would be a significant representation of Britains vital role in bringing to an end the slave trade as well as highlighting our multi-cultural society ...

... or a fcuk off big Dalek ... with real flashing lights, voice and working exterminator.
Either one would be fine by me.

If they put the rilfe, body armour, helmet sculpture on the plinth then the Dalek should go in Parliament Square.
 
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The_Majors_Son said:
sorry to take the topic off tangent for a second, but could someone point me in the direction of some big photo's of the Abandoned Warrior sculpture, tried google but all i found was cartoons!
Thank you,

TMS
There is a thread on here about it somewhere but fecked if I can find it.
This place has a couple of piccies

http://www.peterhicks.com/Combat_Stress.html

And you can buy a small version (expensive).
 
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Bat_Crab said:
k13eod said:
I was thinking something along the lines of a marble figure depicting a naked African rising from his knees, shackled but with broken chains. This would be a significant representation of Britains vital role in bringing to an end the slave trade as well as highlighting our multi-cultural society ...

... or a fcuk off big Dalek ... with real flashing lights, voice and working exterminator.
Either one would be fine by me.

If they put the rilfe, body armour, helmet sculpture on the plinth then the Dalek should go in Parliament Square.
With the exterminator pointing towards the House of Commons per chance?
 

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