The Forgotten War.

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  1. The Forgotten War.

    Any thoughts on this ??

    If not.......Forget it.

    The Korean War didn't inspire a lot of movies, but it inspired two bona fide masterpieces.
    The Manchurian Candidate is a tour-de-force that still seems ahead of its time.
    MASH was understood to really be about Vietnam, but it was set in Korea in order to distance it.

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    Did you know?
    The Manchurian Candidate was kept out of circulation for years following JFK's assassination.

    The Korean War is America's forgotten war. If people under the age of 30 have any knowledge of this "police action" at all, it probably comes from watching reruns of MASH. Nestled snugly between the last good war, World War II, and that twelve year nightmare known as Vietnam, the Korean War is mostly forgotten because, well, nothing at all was accomplished. We didn't win it, we didn't lose it, and the situation on the Korean peninsula is pretty much the same now, over fifty years later, as it was when we first sent troops there.
  2. In Paris, a plaza near the Seine River was named after the French "Bataillon de l'ONU en Corée" to raise awareness of that conflict a few years ago.
    This unit fought with the 23rd Infantry Regiment, 2nd US Infantry Division "Indian Head".
    But it still remains a largely ignored conflict.
  3. My Friend who is in his mid 70's is not forgotten by me, when he had his medals stolen we could get his UK issue one back(reissued with the R stamped on it) but not the UN one he was awarded, so I went round the medal dealers until I found one for him.

    Without going into details he speaks Chinese fluently and only survived because the camp doctor ignored his orders and gave him one of the three shots of penicillin he had when he got a chest infection. He had a harrowing time and was captured because the Americans 'withdrew' (more like a rout) and forgot to tell their British support they were withdrawing.

    He went to Korea last year on a veterans visit, The Korean people treated him like the Hero he is, it brought back a lot of hurt but he was glad he could see the Korea (south) of today, "it almost made it worth fighting for" was his commment.

    He suffers from nightmares and flashbacks to this day.

  4. I remember because my Grandad was de-mobed from his National Service a week before 29 (??) Brigade deployed, He was part of the Glorius Glosters and as such is one lucky B@stard
  5. It is strange that the Korean War was really totally wiped from the minds of the public in general. If this was by deliberate means or not remains to be seen.

    One of the few monuments that I personally have seen remembering those who died in the conflict is in Bedford by the Swan Hotel. Very small in size and hardly noticeable. Not really a fitting tribute to those who gave their lives in the name of freedom.

  6. When i hear about the Korean War i always think of Basil Fawlty's stiff Leg.... poor bugger must have been the cause of his madness.
  7. Perhaps awarenes of the war could be raised by a little celebrity endorsement. I suggest Korean War vet, Fusilier Maurice Michelwhite, better known as Micheal Caine.
  8. There were a whole host of films made about this conflict at the time the problem is that they have got lost in the film vaults. The Korean War was quite a big war which was hard fought for about 3 years. Most of the big named actors of their day made at least one film about this war.
  9. " a hill in Korea" starring none other than Fusilier Caine. He gets killed at the very end........................
  10. Korea: Synonymous with 'Kosbies' beating off overwhelming odds, Glosters refusing to retreat, Ulster Riflemen perpetuating the reputation of fighting Irishmen, Argylls and Diehards setting an example of discipline and bravery against incredible odds and all the other regiments and corps who participated in that horrific campaign. We must not forget!

    BTW just visit South Korea then peer over into the North then you'll realise why it was necessary to 'police that action' Then figure who won!
  11. Korea: Synonymous with 'Kosbies' beating off overwhelming odds, Glosters refusing to retreat, Ulster Riflemen perpetuating the reputation of fighting Irishmen, Argylls and Diehards setting an example of discipline and bravery against incredible odds and all the other regiments and corps who participated in that horrific campaign. We must not forget!

    The point is..We remember..The kids dont.
    I remember...I was on the Hook with the DWR (Dukes)
  12. I havent forgotten it. Neither have a mnay people I have spoken to!

    Misconception that the yoof are dim......
  13. Unfortuntely the yoof are not taught about the Korean War in School, I think before my son learns about other peoples history, they should have to learn ours. My son sat in awe inspired silence while my mate told him about his times in Korea, how he got there (troop ship not an airplane) and the fleas, ticks , lice etc. How he had no contact with his wife for over two years and then when he did his letters were so censored they weren't worth reading.

    Obviously he did not tell him about the nasty side of things he saw.

  14. My first job I had on leaving school there was an old butcher who had white hair .He once told us how his hair changed colour he was in korea following his mate .His mate heard a click realising he had steped on a land mine shouted to the butcher too run .Next thing the butcher knew he was in a field hospitial with white hair .It is apart from mash not a war that people know about but its not forgotten.
  15. If you come from Northern Ireland or served with either the RUR, RIF, R(Innis)F, RIR, 8KRIH/QRIH/QRH, 5 InnisDG/RDG you will never forget Korea.

    Cooperforce, Seoul, Imjin, Hill 327, Kowang-san

    Roll of Honour: The 8th King's Royal Irish Hussars
    The Korean War: Korea 1950-51
    Rank Name Attached? Date of Death
    Trooper Adams, C. 2/7/1951
    Lieutenant Alexander, C.G. 3/1/1951
    Captain Astley-Cooper D.L. 3/1/1951
    Corporal Cameron, F.C.H. 3/7/1951
    Sergeant Collings, E.R. 3/1/1951
    Trooper Collison, J.A. 4/1/1951
    Trooper Costello, G.C. 23/3/1951
    Corporal Livett, J.S. 18/8/1951
    Trooper O'Connor, S.J. 11/10/1951
    Lieutenant Probyn, D.F.P.C. 3rd The King's Own Hussars att 8th King's Royal Irish Hussars 8/2/1951
    Trooper Sadler, C.A. 8/4/1951
    Trooper Smith, A.R. Attached from Royal Armoured Corps 25/4/1951
    Corporal Stone, E. 12/8/1951
    Trooper Thomas, W.E. 2/9/1951
    Lieutenant Walker, J.C.F. Attached from Royal Scots Greys 6/10/1951
    Trooper Walton, M.F. Attached from Royal Armoured Corps 25/4/1951
    Trooper Wilmott, A.G. 23/3/1951

    Roll of Honour: The 5th Royal Iniskilling Dragoon Guards
    The Korean War: Korea 1951-52
    Rank Name Attached? Date of Death
    2nd Lieutenant Albrecht, A.J.E. 20/6/1952
    Corporal Brewer, R. 26/5/1952
    Trooper Cahill, J.P. 4/9/1952
    Trooper Grace, J.W. 5/11/1952
    Trooper McFayden, P. 4/9/1952
    Lance Corporal Metcalfe, D. 4/9/1952
    Corporal Smith, B.O. 15/11/1952
    Corporal Steggles, H.A. 12/7/1952
    Trooper Veasey, D.R. 26/1/1952
    Sergeant Wykes, N.E. 4/9/1952

    Roll of Honour: The Royal Ulster Rifles
    The Korean War: Seoul
    Korea 1950-1951
    Rank Name Attached? Date of Death
    Corporal Adair, W. 3/1/1951
    Rifleman Ashton, W.J. 3/1/1951
    Rifleman Austin, D.S. 3/1/1951
    Captain Balders, E The Suffolk Regt attached The Royal Ulster Rifles 20/2/1951
    Rifleman Bell, L. 23/6/1951
    Rifleman Black, M. 29/5/1953
    Major Blake, C.A.H.B. 3/1/1951
    Fusilier Blow, H.H.D. The Royal Lincolnshire Regiment attached the Royal Ulster Rifles 24/6/1951
    Rifleman Brannan, T. 25/4/1951
    Rifleman Brown, D. 25/4/1951
    Rifleman Bunby, M.B. 27/7/1951
    Rifleman Bustard, J.C. 15/1/1951
    Rifleman Butcher, J. 22/2/1951
    Rifleman Clarke, C.D. 25/4/1951
    Private Clarke, G. Royal Ulster Rifles attached to King's Shropshire Light Infantry 18/11/1951
    Rifleman Cordery, H.J. 25/4/1951
    Rifleman Craig, R. 25/6/1951
    Lance Corporal Cruickshanks, C.R. 27/11/1950
    Rifleman Cunningham, R. 17/8/1951
    Corporal Davidson, W. 1/6/1951
    Rifleman Davies, W.O. 3/1/1951
    Private Davis, P.J. Royal Ulster Rifles attached to King's Shropshire Light Infantry 17/11/1951
    Private Donneliy, J. 3/1/1951
    Rifleman Doyle, J.T. 19/2/1951
    Lieutenant Dunlop, V.A. The King's Regiment (Liverpool) attached The Royal Ulster Rifles 25/4/1951
    Lance Corporal Dytor, F. 5/1/1951
    Rifleman Ellsmore, S.F. 5/1/1951
    Rifleman Fitzgerald, F.G. 23/4/1951
    Rifleman Fletcher, K. 25/4/1951
    Rifleman Foley, J. 1/10/1951
    Rifleman Foster, M. 3/1/1951
    Rifleman Garner, H.W. 4/1/1951
    Sergeant Gaw, D. 25/4/1951
    Corporal Gibson, J.D. 29/11/1950
    Rifleman Gouldsborough, C. 25/4/1951
    Rifleman Heeley, S. 4/1/1951
    Rifleman Hill, B.N. 6/1/1951
    Rifleman Hinchcliffe, A. 25/4/1951
    Rifleman Howarth, H. 7/9/1951
    2nd Lieutenant Hodgkins, K.G. The Border Regt attached The Royal Ulster Rifles 23/9/1951
    Rifleman Hurren, V.P. 26/4/1951
    Rifleman Johnston, D.H. 4/1/1951
    Rifleman Jones, H.H. 29/6/1951
    Sergeant Kavanagh, L. 4/9/1951
    Rifleman Kennedy, T. 3/1/1951
    Rifleman Kerr, J.J. 19/7/1951
    Lance Corporal King, A. 4/1/1951
    Sergeant Lennon, F. 25/4/1951
    Corporal Lewis, J.O. 25/4/1951
    Rifleman Liddle, H. 25/4/1951
    Corporal Lorimer, W. 25/4/1951
    Rifleman Lyons, E.B. 1/8/1951
    Rifleman Maher, D. 28/9/1951
    Rifleman Martin, R. 22/4/1951
    Rifleman McCain, R.J. 4/1/1951
    Rifleman McCartan, J.P. 25/4/1951
    Corporal McConnell, W.J. 3/1/1951
    Rifleman McCormick, R.J. 3/1/1951
    Rifleman McCracken, H. 4/1/1951
    Rifleman McCracken, R.J. 4/1/1951
    Rifleman McCurrie, P. 26/2/1951
    Corporal McGeoghegan, P. 4/1/1951
    Rifleman McGivern, T.J. 25/4/1951
    Rifleman McNaughton, A.J. 23/4/1951
    Rifleman McSherry, M. 4/1/1951
    Rifleman McWilliams, W. 12/4/1951
    Rifleman Montgomery, S. 23/4/1951
    Corporal Moore, W.A. 3/1/1951
    Rifleman Mulhall, G. 25/4/1951
    Rifleman Mullan, S.B. 25/4/1951
    Rifleman Mulligan, B.A. 25/4/1951
    Rifleman Murray, C.C. 4/1/1951
    Rifleman Murray, J.W. 4/1/1951
    Sergeant Nugent, F. 18/4/1951
    Rifleman Newman, A.J. 4/1/1951
    Rifleman O'Gorman, J. 19/2/1951
    Rifleman Ostle, T. 4/1/1951
    Rifleman Plant, S.F. 3/1/1951
    Rifleman Porter, J. 25/4/1951
    2nd Lieutenant Prescott-Westcar, G.V.B. 3/1/1951
    Rifleman Rainey, J. 3/1/1951
    Rifleman Ramsay, C. 3/1/1951
    Rifleman Reidy, M. 2/8/1951
    Rifleman Riding, G. 25/4/1951
    Rifleman Robinson, S. 4/7/1951
    Rifleman Shannon, J. 5/1/1951
    Major Shaw, J.K.H. 25/4/1953
    Rifleman Short, L. 25/4/1951
    Lance Corporal Smith, J. 25/4/1951
    Lance Corporal Smith, R.A. 18/7/1951
    Rifleman Sutton, W. 11/3/1951
    Rifleman Tice, A.E. 28/5/1951
    Corporal Turner, A. 3/1/1951
    Rifleman Tweedie, J. 25/4/1951
    Rifleman Wallace, S.G. 20/3/1951
    Rifleman Walshe, J. 25/4/1951
    Rifleman Washer, R.S.W. 25/4/1951
    Corporal Wheeler, E. 4/1/1951
    Rifleman White, T. 2/2/1951
    Rifleman Wilcox, W. 4/1/1951
    Rifleman Woodhouse, W.J. 4/1/1951
    Rifleman Wright, T. 4/1/1951

    Others might forget these men but we won't.

    I drink to absent friends (and family).