The Forgotten War.

The Forgotten War.

Any thoughts on this ??

If not.......Forget it.

The Korean War didn't inspire a lot of movies, but it inspired two bona fide masterpieces.
The Manchurian Candidate is a tour-de-force that still seems ahead of its time.
MASH was understood to really be about Vietnam, but it was set in Korea in order to distance it.

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The Manchurian Candidate was kept out of circulation for years following JFK's assassination.

The Korean War is America's forgotten war. If people under the age of 30 have any knowledge of this "police action" at all, it probably comes from watching reruns of MASH. Nestled snugly between the last good war, World War II, and that twelve year nightmare known as Vietnam, the Korean War is mostly forgotten because, well, nothing at all was accomplished. We didn't win it, we didn't lose it, and the situation on the Korean peninsula is pretty much the same now, over fifty years later, as it was when we first sent troops there.
In Paris, a plaza near the Seine River was named after the French "Bataillon de l'ONU en Corée" to raise awareness of that conflict a few years ago.
This unit fought with the 23rd Infantry Regiment, 2nd US Infantry Division "Indian Head".
But it still remains a largely ignored conflict.
My Friend who is in his mid 70's is not forgotten by me, when he had his medals stolen we could get his UK issue one back(reissued with the R stamped on it) but not the UN one he was awarded, so I went round the medal dealers until I found one for him.

Without going into details he speaks Chinese fluently and only survived because the camp doctor ignored his orders and gave him one of the three shots of penicillin he had when he got a chest infection. He had a harrowing time and was captured because the Americans 'withdrew' (more like a rout) and forgot to tell their British support they were withdrawing.

He went to Korea last year on a veterans visit, The Korean people treated him like the Hero he is, it brought back a lot of hurt but he was glad he could see the Korea (south) of today, "it almost made it worth fighting for" was his commment.

He suffers from nightmares and flashbacks to this day.

I remember because my Grandad was de-mobed from his National Service a week before 29 (??) Brigade deployed, He was part of the Glorius Glosters and as such is one lucky B@stard
It is strange that the Korean War was really totally wiped from the minds of the public in general. If this was by deliberate means or not remains to be seen.

One of the few monuments that I personally have seen remembering those who died in the conflict is in Bedford by the Swan Hotel. Very small in size and hardly noticeable. Not really a fitting tribute to those who gave their lives in the name of freedom.

When i hear about the Korean War i always think of Basil Fawlty's stiff Leg.... poor bugger must have been the cause of his madness.
Perhaps awarenes of the war could be raised by a little celebrity endorsement. I suggest Korean War vet, Fusilier Maurice Michelwhite, better known as Micheal Caine.
There were a whole host of films made about this conflict at the time the problem is that they have got lost in the film vaults. The Korean War was quite a big war which was hard fought for about 3 years. Most of the big named actors of their day made at least one film about this war.
Korea: Synonymous with 'Kosbies' beating off overwhelming odds, Glosters refusing to retreat, Ulster Riflemen perpetuating the reputation of fighting Irishmen, Argylls and Diehards setting an example of discipline and bravery against incredible odds and all the other regiments and corps who participated in that horrific campaign. We must not forget!

BTW just visit South Korea then peer over into the North then you'll realise why it was necessary to 'police that action' Then figure who won!
Korea: Synonymous with 'Kosbies' beating off overwhelming odds, Glosters refusing to retreat, Ulster Riflemen perpetuating the reputation of fighting Irishmen, Argylls and Diehards setting an example of discipline and bravery against incredible odds and all the other regiments and corps who participated in that horrific campaign. We must not forget!

The point is..We remember..The kids dont.
I remember...I was on the Hook with the DWR (Dukes)
I havent forgotten it. Neither have a mnay people I have spoken to!

Misconception that the yoof are dim......
Unfortuntely the yoof are not taught about the Korean War in School, I think before my son learns about other peoples history, they should have to learn ours. My son sat in awe inspired silence while my mate told him about his times in Korea, how he got there (troop ship not an airplane) and the fleas, ticks , lice etc. How he had no contact with his wife for over two years and then when he did his letters were so censored they weren't worth reading.

Obviously he did not tell him about the nasty side of things he saw.

My first job I had on leaving school there was an old butcher who had white hair .He once told us how his hair changed colour he was in korea following his mate .His mate heard a click realising he had steped on a land mine shouted to the butcher too run .Next thing the butcher knew he was in a field hospitial with white hair .It is apart from mash not a war that people know about but its not forgotten.
If you come from Northern Ireland or served with either the RUR, RIF, R(Innis)F, RIR, 8KRIH/QRIH/QRH, 5 InnisDG/RDG you will never forget Korea.

Cooperforce, Seoul, Imjin, Hill 327, Kowang-san

Roll of Honour: The 8th King's Royal Irish Hussars
The Korean War: Korea 1950-51
Rank Name Attached? Date of Death
Trooper Adams, C. 2/7/1951
Lieutenant Alexander, C.G. 3/1/1951
Captain Astley-Cooper D.L. 3/1/1951
Corporal Cameron, F.C.H. 3/7/1951
Sergeant Collings, E.R. 3/1/1951
Trooper Collison, J.A. 4/1/1951
Trooper Costello, G.C. 23/3/1951
Corporal Livett, J.S. 18/8/1951
Trooper O'Connor, S.J. 11/10/1951
Lieutenant Probyn, D.F.P.C. 3rd The King's Own Hussars att 8th King's Royal Irish Hussars 8/2/1951
Trooper Sadler, C.A. 8/4/1951
Trooper Smith, A.R. Attached from Royal Armoured Corps 25/4/1951
Corporal Stone, E. 12/8/1951
Trooper Thomas, W.E. 2/9/1951
Lieutenant Walker, J.C.F. Attached from Royal Scots Greys 6/10/1951
Trooper Walton, M.F. Attached from Royal Armoured Corps 25/4/1951
Trooper Wilmott, A.G. 23/3/1951

Roll of Honour: The 5th Royal Iniskilling Dragoon Guards
The Korean War: Korea 1951-52
Rank Name Attached? Date of Death
2nd Lieutenant Albrecht, A.J.E. 20/6/1952
Corporal Brewer, R. 26/5/1952
Trooper Cahill, J.P. 4/9/1952
Trooper Grace, J.W. 5/11/1952
Trooper McFayden, P. 4/9/1952
Lance Corporal Metcalfe, D. 4/9/1952
Corporal Smith, B.O. 15/11/1952
Corporal Steggles, H.A. 12/7/1952
Trooper Veasey, D.R. 26/1/1952
Sergeant Wykes, N.E. 4/9/1952

Roll of Honour: The Royal Ulster Rifles
The Korean War: Seoul
Korea 1950-1951
Rank Name Attached? Date of Death
Corporal Adair, W. 3/1/1951
Rifleman Ashton, W.J. 3/1/1951
Rifleman Austin, D.S. 3/1/1951
Captain Balders, E The Suffolk Regt attached The Royal Ulster Rifles 20/2/1951
Rifleman Bell, L. 23/6/1951
Rifleman Black, M. 29/5/1953
Major Blake, C.A.H.B. 3/1/1951
Fusilier Blow, H.H.D. The Royal Lincolnshire Regiment attached the Royal Ulster Rifles 24/6/1951
Rifleman Brannan, T. 25/4/1951
Rifleman Brown, D. 25/4/1951
Rifleman Bunby, M.B. 27/7/1951
Rifleman Bustard, J.C. 15/1/1951
Rifleman Butcher, J. 22/2/1951
Rifleman Clarke, C.D. 25/4/1951
Private Clarke, G. Royal Ulster Rifles attached to King's Shropshire Light Infantry 18/11/1951
Rifleman Cordery, H.J. 25/4/1951
Rifleman Craig, R. 25/6/1951
Lance Corporal Cruickshanks, C.R. 27/11/1950
Rifleman Cunningham, R. 17/8/1951
Corporal Davidson, W. 1/6/1951
Rifleman Davies, W.O. 3/1/1951
Private Davis, P.J. Royal Ulster Rifles attached to King's Shropshire Light Infantry 17/11/1951
Private Donneliy, J. 3/1/1951
Rifleman Doyle, J.T. 19/2/1951
Lieutenant Dunlop, V.A. The King's Regiment (Liverpool) attached The Royal Ulster Rifles 25/4/1951
Lance Corporal Dytor, F. 5/1/1951
Rifleman Ellsmore, S.F. 5/1/1951
Rifleman Fitzgerald, F.G. 23/4/1951
Rifleman Fletcher, K. 25/4/1951
Rifleman Foley, J. 1/10/1951
Rifleman Foster, M. 3/1/1951
Rifleman Garner, H.W. 4/1/1951
Sergeant Gaw, D. 25/4/1951
Corporal Gibson, J.D. 29/11/1950
Rifleman Gouldsborough, C. 25/4/1951
Rifleman Heeley, S. 4/1/1951
Rifleman Hill, B.N. 6/1/1951
Rifleman Hinchcliffe, A. 25/4/1951
Rifleman Howarth, H. 7/9/1951
2nd Lieutenant Hodgkins, K.G. The Border Regt attached The Royal Ulster Rifles 23/9/1951
Rifleman Hurren, V.P. 26/4/1951
Rifleman Johnston, D.H. 4/1/1951
Rifleman Jones, H.H. 29/6/1951
Sergeant Kavanagh, L. 4/9/1951
Rifleman Kennedy, T. 3/1/1951
Rifleman Kerr, J.J. 19/7/1951
Lance Corporal King, A. 4/1/1951
Sergeant Lennon, F. 25/4/1951
Corporal Lewis, J.O. 25/4/1951
Rifleman Liddle, H. 25/4/1951
Corporal Lorimer, W. 25/4/1951
Rifleman Lyons, E.B. 1/8/1951
Rifleman Maher, D. 28/9/1951
Rifleman Martin, R. 22/4/1951
Rifleman McCain, R.J. 4/1/1951
Rifleman McCartan, J.P. 25/4/1951
Corporal McConnell, W.J. 3/1/1951
Rifleman McCormick, R.J. 3/1/1951
Rifleman McCracken, H. 4/1/1951
Rifleman McCracken, R.J. 4/1/1951
Rifleman McCurrie, P. 26/2/1951
Corporal McGeoghegan, P. 4/1/1951
Rifleman McGivern, T.J. 25/4/1951
Rifleman McNaughton, A.J. 23/4/1951
Rifleman McSherry, M. 4/1/1951
Rifleman McWilliams, W. 12/4/1951
Rifleman Montgomery, S. 23/4/1951
Corporal Moore, W.A. 3/1/1951
Rifleman Mulhall, G. 25/4/1951
Rifleman Mullan, S.B. 25/4/1951
Rifleman Mulligan, B.A. 25/4/1951
Rifleman Murray, C.C. 4/1/1951
Rifleman Murray, J.W. 4/1/1951
Sergeant Nugent, F. 18/4/1951
Rifleman Newman, A.J. 4/1/1951
Rifleman O'Gorman, J. 19/2/1951
Rifleman Ostle, T. 4/1/1951
Rifleman Plant, S.F. 3/1/1951
Rifleman Porter, J. 25/4/1951
2nd Lieutenant Prescott-Westcar, G.V.B. 3/1/1951
Rifleman Rainey, J. 3/1/1951
Rifleman Ramsay, C. 3/1/1951
Rifleman Reidy, M. 2/8/1951
Rifleman Riding, G. 25/4/1951
Rifleman Robinson, S. 4/7/1951
Rifleman Shannon, J. 5/1/1951
Major Shaw, J.K.H. 25/4/1953
Rifleman Short, L. 25/4/1951
Lance Corporal Smith, J. 25/4/1951
Lance Corporal Smith, R.A. 18/7/1951
Rifleman Sutton, W. 11/3/1951
Rifleman Tice, A.E. 28/5/1951
Corporal Turner, A. 3/1/1951
Rifleman Tweedie, J. 25/4/1951
Rifleman Wallace, S.G. 20/3/1951
Rifleman Walshe, J. 25/4/1951
Rifleman Washer, R.S.W. 25/4/1951
Corporal Wheeler, E. 4/1/1951
Rifleman White, T. 2/2/1951
Rifleman Wilcox, W. 4/1/1951
Rifleman Woodhouse, W.J. 4/1/1951
Rifleman Wright, T. 4/1/1951

Others might forget these men but we won't.

I drink to absent friends (and family).
I hope you pay for his tab then, because without him and the likes of him you wouldn't have the priviledge of going to a pub.
Re Korea. For the 40th anniversary in 1990 both BBC and Channel 4 did 2 documentaries on the war which I recorded on video at the time. They were fairly well balanced.

On the film front from the Yanks there was Men in War (Robert Ryan & Aldo Ray) as Marines (DVD), One Minute to Zero (Robert Mitcham (DVD), The Hunters (Robert Mitcham & Robert Wagner as pilots) (DVD), Bridges at Toko Ri (William Holden & Mickey Rooney) Jets & Choppers (DVD), Pork Chop Hill (Gregory Peck) (DVD),The Steel Helmet (Not available), Fixed Bayonets (Richard Baseheart) Not available, Retreat, Hell! (Marines at Chosin) (not available, Battle Zone (War photographers) (not available), Battle Circus (Humphrey Bogart on chopers) (not available), Glory Brigade (Victor Mature with Greek Brigade) (not available), Battle Taxi (Sterling Hayden) (not available), Battle Hymn (Rock Hudson as a padre) (not available)

On the British Front the only Korean film I know of is A Hill in Korea, filmed in Sussex in 1956 with Harry Andrews and Michael Caine (Who served there). This was out on video for a while but is hard to get hold of.

The Manchurian Candidate (about brainwashing) was pulled by Frank Sinatra after Kennedy was assasinated as they believed Lee Harvey Oswald had been brainwashed by the Chinese. It was not released until after Sinatra's death.

On a personal note, when I joined the TA in '72 we had a Corporal to teach us on the LMG. While doing the drills and changing mags he kept saying 'hurry up, there's thousands of bl##dy Chinese coming!'
Bearing in mind we were worried about the Russians we wondered what he was on about. It turned out he was a Korean vet and the experience had obviously stayed with him.

Also in 1997 I went with some veterans to Egypt and Tobruk for the 55th anniversary of El Alamein. One of the blokes was from the South but was wearing a Northumberland Fusiliers Beret and had the Korean medals as well as WW2. I asked him what he was doing with a budgie hat on and he explained he served with the Queens during WW2 but was called up again for Korea and put in the Fusiliers. All of the vets were diginified and it was a great honour to know them.

Well, that's my sx penneth up, hope the film info is of use to you
Thanks Int', not surprising the Yanks made so many Korean War movies they lost over 50,000 KIA. Korean War veterans were largely forgotten in the USA too and being of a much more stoic generation, like their Brit contemporaries, did not draw attention to themselves. In 1995 a wonderful memorial to Korean War veterans was dedicated by the President, the memorial is situated south of the Lincoln Memorial in Washington DC.
In 2000 at Torpichen West Lothian the people of Scotland dedicated a memorial to those who served and sacrificed their lives in the Korean War.

Incredible to think that the youngest of those servicemen who served in the Korean War are now in their 70s!