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holyphuc

Old-Salt
I can't find any milk prices from those days, for some reason grandpa & father didn't record it.
I think I have a ledger with costs, I will dig that out sometime
 
Out of idle curiosity I have just dug out my father and grandfathers invoice book with some prices:
1961 price: value today: current price:
Fertiliser subsidy (yes really!) £64 12s 2d £1354 -
Bacon pig £16 2s 3d £337 £140
Potatoes 56kg £0 19 0d £20.17 £18
1966
35 Bacon pigs £598 9s 5d £10543.98 £4900
19t wheat £447 13s 4d £7887.08 £2850
subsidy on 1 ton fertiliser £8 8s 9d £148.65 -
1972
13 bacon pigs £233.95 £2158 £1820
1975
terraced house (workers accomodation) £1066 £6252 £175K
1977
1t barley £80.44 £350 £130
1 lamb £32.61 £141.66 £4.56/kg deadweight depending on carcass weight and conformation see Oops post below
1982
1t oats £98 £241 £110
1984
1t wheat £103 £231 £150
Some prices would vary wildly every year, potatoes for example, I remember as a kid selling them for £5 at the door after the drought, that would be £25 for a 56lb/25kg bag in todays money. WTF did we do with all the money!?
In the 60's 70's we were a proper mixed farm with cows, sheep, pigs. That gradually changed, as did most of the other farms, 'specialising' in grain and potatoes in the 80's & 90's and now just grains.
The columns get squashed up when I post it, prices read left to right: price then: value in todays money:
todays price.
Fantastic post.
 

Oops

Old-Salt
We've got similar 'books' here, I sometimes used to take a glance to reaffirm my attempts at survival in the modern era seem justifiably more difficult.
The commonly used metrics of a pint of milk/ beer, loaf of bread, first class stamp, gallon of petrol etc. to position ourselves against yesteryear are incredibly sobering.

To think people complain food is too dear!
 

holyphuc

Old-Salt
It's our own fault, we have become too efficient, pushed by the government and ag advisors, remember the experimental husbandry farms?
The topic of old meadows came up in conversation a while ago, and how many hundreds of thousand of acres had been lost since the war, ripped up by the evil farmers, I pointed out it was driven by the government, paying subsidies/grants for us to do so and by various advisors telling us that by ploughing out that old meadow grass that had been down for probably hundreds of years and planting Italian ryegrass, then plastering it with artificial nitrogen, we could produce much more grass/meat /milk.
I think my generation ( b 1965) have been brainwashed by the chemical companies to think the solution comes out of a can, if I can manage to do a link this is a good presentation, Here
It talks about the rise of modern diseases, cancer etc and how they are related to nutrient deficiencies of food and the use of artificial N. God knows what deficiencies there are going to be in things like artificial meat, I can see those companies being successful intially but then becoming the future Monsanto.
 

Oops

Old-Salt
I too, being born 1965 agree to a certain extent re. Solutions in a can/bag..
I rather think it was our forefathers who were brainwashed into this thinking,they were the ones to see the massive increases in yields.
They've rather plateaued in our time.
I ran my own contract spraying business 80's onwards, I was more than interested in the development of strobilurins
(Developed from rainforest fungi)
Sulfonureas .....a whole pallet full was less toxic than one tube of toothpaste,as per toxicity regs of the time.
Uncle worked for Hoechst Pharmaceutical, they had a yearly conference with their Ag. Chemical sector of the business...
The decrease in incidence of stomach cancer amongst others, was in direct correlation to the increase of fungicide usage in the western world since WW2.
As it was a 'good news story' that didn't fit the narrative of the time, they couldn't get it out into the Msm.
Ingesting harmful pathogens doesn't do you a lot of good , whether artificial or natural, dare I say even organic!

Don't get me started on the real villains of the last 50 years' eco vandalism....
Agricultural Management Companies.
 

Oops

Old-Salt
Hadn't heard that about stomach cancer.
I'm going off a rapidly fading memory I'm afraid and Uncle is no longer with us, but Istr it was the Japanese that linked eating mouldy vegetables to stomach cancer.
I think it took a while to work out why the rural population were suffering worse, it turned out they were sending their best to market, and eating the unsaleable stuff themselves.
That certainly resonates!
 
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I have already posted this in the cooking thread. We bought a spice/grain/coffee ginder the other day. We tried it out with a bit of milling wheat that is still in store and the resultant flour made a very respectable loaf. The aim this summer is to bake a loaf from the first field of wheat before the combine is out of that field. Just a bit of fun.
 
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Since lockdown we have been inundated with dog walkers, none of whom seem able to pick up after their pets have crapped all over what would be haylage for the winter. To try and shame people into doing the right thing the children made some signs, which along with some bags, we have placed on the footpaths and byway.
By the by, so far of nine cattle six have calved. Three bulls and three heifers. Sadly one was born dead, he was just too big to come out, my fault for not calling the vet sooner. But as a bonus two of the cows who scanned empty had heifer calves.
 

Oops

Old-Salt
Why have you got shadows and bright colours??

Dour, cloudy, dank and BLOODY COLD here, cows even have their coats up, been days since we've had warmth and sunshine.

Good news of the day..
Sitting waiting for Vets' arrival for TB test.

#1 Female Hen Harrier lazily flomped past mobbed by flock of Lbj birds...
(not prepared enough for pics,sorry)

#2 Passed TB, all clear, restrictions free!!

Bad news of day....
Vet put Mother's 14 yo Border Terrier down...
Feisty, bright, sharp, stroppy, loving, aggressive, large chunk of our lives..(and that's just my mum)

Since Friday been flat out in basket comatose, just not stopping breathing....

Little bugger sat up wanting to fight the alsation (was always 'the boss') and clocking on to a new calved cow 70mts down the yard when she arrived.

A little dog, but leaving a huge bloody hole.

Pic is from eight years ago, around the time those Feckin Meerkat's became a 'thing' .....
Mother had to stop watching Corrie, the bugger even listened for the previous news programme finishing, Sergei wouldn'tve stood a chance, even with the massed ranks behind him!20121224_201705.jpg
 
Why have you got shadows and bright colours??

Dour, cloudy, dank and BLOODY COLD here, cows even have their coats up, been days since we've had warmth and sunshine.

Good news of the day..
Sitting waiting for Vets' arrival for TB test.

#1 Female Hen Harrier lazily flomped past mobbed by flock of Lbj birds...
(not prepared enough for pics,sorry)

#2 Passed TB, all clear, restrictions free!!

Bad news of day....
Vet put Mother's 14 yo Border Terrier down...
Feisty, bright, sharp, stroppy, loving, aggressive, large chunk of our lives..(and that's just my mum)

Since Friday been flat out in basket comatose, just not stopping breathing....

Little bugger sat up wanting to fight the alsation (was always 'the boss') and clocking on to a new calved cow 70mts down the yard when she arrived.

A little dog, but leaving a huge bloody hole.

Pic is from eight years ago, around the time those Feckin Meerkat's became a 'thing' .....
Mother had to stop watching Corrie, the bugger even listened for the previous news programme finishing, Sergei wouldn'tve stood a chance, even with the massed ranks behind him!View attachment 474642
Well done on the TB test, gutted for you about the dog.
 

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