The end of the BBC - or is it?

#1
It looks like Helen Goodman (who she?), the shadow "media minister" is going to push for the idea that the public should commission at least some of the output on the BBC.

Agreed, the current commissioners, those unaccountable cretins who currently decide what goes on air have made a balls up of it. Perhaps Arrsers could do better.

What will happen if the licence-payers decide what goes on air? Wall to wall Mongs' Have 'Talent'? Or will the various stuffed shirts who like to pontificate about the media cram the 'You Decide' Committees, voting for 'Trainsets Are Us', 'Christian Worship Hours' and, for the younger generation, 'Delia Smith Cooks Her Own Intestines' in HD?

I was going to argue that 'the great unwashed' would commission anything as long as Ant and Dec were presenting it (including State Funerals). But that would be unjust: the current batch of programme commissioners have already decided on their behalf that this is what the nation wants.

So perhaps the viewers should have their say....
 
#2
Be a better idea if they had a top up card like a mobile phone, which you could insert into a slot and it read the credit. This would prevent the BBC giving people like Chris Moyles, Johnathan Ross etc footballer type wages, which is passed onto the licence payer. Maybe if the income dropped, they would realise that most people only watch a very small amount of BBC and are not too keen on repeats.
 
#3
Chris Moyles? Surely not. Don't you realize that that man singlehandedly saved Radio 1?

Oh, er, hang on a minute.................

He's ok (just ok, not sensational) on the radio, but whenever I see his fat Yorkshire gutbucket head on telly, I reach for the remote.


On the whole there has been some good stuff on BBC in the past few years, (isn't the good stuff normally made in partnership now a la HBO/RTE etc.?), but not enough to warrant the inordinate amount which they receive courtesy of the licence payer. I'd like to see less world service & BBC India. I think they could also do away with a good few of their extra digital channels (saving money) & stick to the stuff they are good at like Spooks, Rome and that sort of thing.
 
#4
Have you seen how much of the licence payers money is wasted on paying for taxis for people to get to work - wish I had a taxi to take me to work and someone else picked up the tab. Also flowers and junkets etc.
 

Cutaway

LE
Kit Reviewer
#6
Perhaps Arrsers could do better.
Fcuking A !
Back to back re-runs of The Wild Geese, The Odd Angry Shot & Zulu, while BBC2 has the 24-hour educational programmes, "Hot Girls Hoop Dhobi" & "Clamjousting Fisters."

Get the beers in, I'm sorted.
 
#7
More Life on Mars and less Hammond on everything. Let them continue to take the licence but make them use the freedom from commercial worries it gives them to produce good quality viewing.

There is a select group of presenters that the BBC seem to give everything to. Planet Earth live is an excellent example of the kind of thing they do without having to worry about budget (because they have the licence fee) but then cock up by the "need" to dumb down the presentation with "fa(e)ces'" like Hammond or Julia Badbury rather than less well known but more knowledgeable people.

So far on the show her contribution has been saying "hello Mrs Bear" or "those cubs are so cute". He meanwhile is shit scared to leave his tent or 4x4. They could have had a Steve Backshall or Chris Packham or Simon King who all know their stuff, but no it has to be Hammond and Bradbury.

Mary Beard is as rough as **** but her series on Rome is good because she knows her subject. I'm amazed it didn't end up presented by Mylene Klass and Dale Winton.

Winton really grips my shit. He was on that lottery bollocks the other week and moaned that a contestant had cried on the sleeve of his £400 shirt. It was a plain blue shirt! How much do they spend of employing this talentless people to front other people's ideas?


Limousines, hotels, first class travel, hospitality - how much do they spend on that for what they call presenting talent?
 

Bouillabaisse

LE
Book Reviewer
#8
It's long past the time when the BBC should have been privatised. The jumped up, overpaid tossers who staff it need a really good dose of corporate realism and, frankly, a **** load of P45's being dished out.
 
#9
They should shutdown between 0915 and 1600hrs. You can have too much antique buying, looking for houses in the country and various "consumer" knights errant.
 

Cutaway

LE
Kit Reviewer
#10
They could have had a Steve Backshall or Chris Packham or Simon King who all know their stuff, but no it has to be Hammond and Bradbury.
Thought he was still off his face since Space Ritual ?
Or was it hanging out of the back doors of young boys ?
Either way definite BBC presenter material.
 
#11
It's long past the time when the BBC should have been privatised. The jumped up, overpaid tossers who staff it need a really good dose of corporate realism and, frankly, a **** load of P45's being dished out.
Has it not been privatised to an extent anyway? But look at the unadulterated shite that Princess Productions and their ilk have put out in the name of competition within BBC commissioning as a result. Look at the CVs of the people involved and you'll se why - its the same people. Its more incestuous than Shropshire.

Until the commissioning process makes it impossible for a small clique of already overpaid people to front up companies that take the commissions and line their own pockets once more by fronting/writing and producing you'll never get proper value or a wider set of viewing. Johnny Vaughan (World's End) Steve Coogan (Baby Cow), Jimmy Mulville (Hatrick), Graham Norton (So Television) are all making more than ever but can we honestly say the variety or standard has improved.

The Oxbridge clique dominates BBC Comedy as it has since the Home Service on radio and the Public Schools dominate other productions across the board. Both male lead presenters on BBC Breakfast are Eton boys for example. Two generations of Dimblebys, Sergeants, Snows etc. The cliques are regenerating

Public or Private the BBC is run by cliques.
 
#12
If you're that bothered, just don't pay the license fee. **** the inspectors, they've got no right of entry to your property, no powers of arrest. I know people who've been getting letters and visits for years, but still don't let them in.
 

ugly

LE
Moderator
#13
precisely i find it hard to justify the license fee!
 
#15
It's long past the time when the BBC should have been privatised. The jumped up, overpaid tossers who staff it need a really good dose of corporate realism and, frankly, a **** load of P45's being dished out.
A private company?? What like ITV, have you seen the dross on there? I haven't cos I can't stand the adverts. At least the BBC has moments of brilliance.
 
#16
I love the way the BBC spunked hundreds of £millions on creating a whole media city in Salford just so it doesn't have the perception of everything being some London clique (which it is)

I bet that wouldn't happen to a company with shareholders that actually have a say in where they waste their money?
 
#17
The fee works out at £0.40 per day - some pay more than that for their daily newspaper. I'd prefer to pay 40p for the radio stations without the adverts. granted there's lots of rubbish on BBC1,2,3,4, News 24 etc but its advert free & I have the TV on BBC more than ITV
 
#19
What the BBC needs is a smug and poncey mafia of sinecured, unnacountable, overpaid, smart arse arse bandits, all planning programs for our education and betterment, i.e. presenting their own anally intrusive PC propaganda.

Hang on, that's what we've got now........
 
#20
granted there's lots of rubbish on BBC1,2,3,4, News 24 etc but its advert free
You must really hate the adverts, mate, if you're quite happy with "lots of rubbish" on, as you put it, pretty much their entire output.

The argument, alas, is a circular one.

We pay for the BBC so according to the reformists, we should have more of a say about what's put on air, even going as far as being allowed to commission hours of programmes.

It's a bit like that horrible moment when the Bolsheviks realised that their very own political philosophy required them to have to listen to the ignorant views of 'the workers' or 'the masses'.The Bolshies got around that appalling reality by carting the masses off and shooting them. The Beeb can't do that. Instead of a Tok, a trench and a Commissar shouting orders, the BBC has to do with a "Have Your Say" button, a wine bar and the lofty indifference of its commissioners / Commissars, tittering about their audiences before forgetting all about them as they enjoy their tapas., hoping that they will just go away and not mug them on their way back to their subsidized apartments in Salford.

The failure of Bolshevism was the disconnect between the bosses and the 'masses'. There is a similar disconnect between the 'elite' (ha!) who commission programmes and the 'great unwashed' who sit, lantern jawed in front of the anus end of the product, lapping it up, whatever its lack of quality or virtue.

The BBC can't abide the thought of having it's viewers "have their say". The sop to political correctness in the form of "you can tweet your views so we can ignore them" is as far as it will go, whatever the reformers want.

Everyone puts up Radio 4 as a paragon of virtue. Yes, it's good. Yes it has probably the best controller it has had for decades. But it has an agenda every bit as strong in its own way as Rebakah Brook's was at The Sun.

If 'the masses' attempted to change it, there would be enough smoke from the minority who are 'on side' in Liberal London, to ensure that the grassroots were paraquatted before any damage was done.

The BBC is a Hall of Mirrors. It thinks that by hiring the same privileged, middle class, mediocre classes that it has before, tinkering artificially with its ethnic / regional make up, it will more accurately 'reflect' the audience who watch it.

Bollocks.

An artificially rendered reflection of society is in reality a reflection of the BBC itself and about as much use as a zip on a sporran.

But they will carry on pumping out the shite that they think we want, because we can't be trusted to put our own shite directly on the air.
 

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