The creation of Brigade Recce Forces

Having just had a flick through a random Afghanistan war memoir, I noted that more and more Brigades are working with a Brigade Recce Force (BRF). Are this a theatre-specific creation, built around an ad-hoc organisation or are they now a permanent unit (a la 3 Cdo Bde BRF)? Plain intellectual curiosity, not a journo walting!
 

wehappyfew

War Hero
Originally quite ad hoc but recently mostly drawn from the FR sqn in the bde. Add in a few extra bits and you have the BRF.
 

machiavelli

War Hero
Entirely down to the Brig who he creates them from - one of the Bdes ran a selection for all arms across the bde, formed up the composite force and then trained them seperately during MRX etc..........FR does not have the monoploy on them - much to the annoyance of DRAC - there is a little one star bunfighting going on about who gets the job, DInf, DRA and DRAC all feel that they should own it.........
 
machiavelli said:
there is a little one star bunfighting going on about who gets the job, DInf, DRA and DRAC all feel that they should own it.........

One of hte downsides to our traditions and Regimental system....
 
Many thanks.
 

footpad6

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chocolate_frog said:
machiavelli said:
there is a little one star bunfighting going on about who gets the job, DInf, DRA and DRAC all feel that they should own it.........

One of hte downsides to our traditions and Regimental system....

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One of the upsides to our traditions and Regimental system...

The 1* who gets it after compitition will love and cherish it and make sure it gets the resources it needs.......possibly. :eek:
 

machiavelli

War Hero
Until it no longer becomes "sexy" and current and then becomes a burden competing against further Arm commitments and training at which point the cynical will say that it will be under resourced and supported and then become just another task a Bn or Regt is expected to be able to perform without the necessary support................

God i am feeling cynical this morning
 

Evilgoblin

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wehappyfew said:
Originally quite ad hoc but recently mostly drawn from the FR sqn in the bde. Add in a few extra bits and you have the BRF.

Can you expand on that?
 

T.F.R

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Evilgoblin said:
wehappyfew said:
Originally quite ad hoc but recently mostly drawn from the FR sqn in the bde. Add in a few extra bits and you have the BRF.

Can you expand on that?

no its the extra bits that make them a valuable and underpraised force multiplier (and the extra bits should remain a mystery to all but those involved).

Their contribution to the ISTAR picture when tasked correctly is invaluable and i would personally say essential (as someone who has relied on them time and again)
 
For more info, there is a good article by the BC of 4/73 SP OP By about the BRF he was in command of during Herrick 7 in the last issue of BAR (Spring 2009).
 

wildcard.rgbw

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Everything in the British Army seems to be done "ad hoc" nowadays anyway, guess thats why we think we're shit hot
 
wildcard.rgbw said:
Everything in the British Army seems to be done "ad hoc" nowadays anyway, guess thats why we think we're s*** hot

Yes...."tactics are for amateurs, logistics for professionals" isn't that it?
 
Centralisation into a BRF means advantages (consolidation of expertise & easier training) & disadvantages (not available to their unit)
 
There are various papaers doing the round on BRFs. They will become standardised across all bdes and will move to become an FR capability over time.

All we have to do now is figure out what exactly a BRF is! All the papers I have seen are somewhat confused on the issue.
 
A considered and thoughtful response there Fall, many thanks!

*Edit to add:

Do they actually need the same kind of selection as the PF go through? Are there the same skill sets required given that most of them are mobility based instead of horrific yomps in? I appreciate that a) I've not served with them (hence the original post) and b) OPSEC may limit specifics, but I'm genuinely interested to know why 3 Cdo and 16 Air Assault have BRFs, but other Brigades don't (well, they didn't but seem to be growing them!)
 

ugly

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alfred_the_great said:
A considered and thoughtful response there Fall, many thanks!

*Edit to add:

Do they actually need the same kind of selection as the PF go through? Are there the same skill sets required given that most of them are mobility based instead of horrific yomps in? I appreciate that a) I've not served with them (hence the original post) and b) OPSEC may limit specifics, but I'm genuinely interested to know why 3 Cdo and 16 Air Assault have BRFs, but other Brigades don't (well, they didn't but seem to be growing them!)

Maybe in the same way that in the past some Bns had Patrols platoons/coys, Surveillance troops, COPs and they are put together in theory from the best of those that volunteer!
 
Yes, but do they need to be uber-fit, or be able to carry a small house on their back across the Black Mountains, or jump out of airplanes from a great height and opening their parachute at 3ft from the deck? Just because that's how you've done it previously, it doesn't mean it has to be done that way again....
 
ugly said:
alfred_the_great said:
A considered and thoughtful response there Fall, many thanks!

*Edit to add:

Do they actually need the same kind of selection as the PF go through? Are there the same skill sets required given that most of them are mobility based instead of horrific yomps in? I appreciate that a) I've not served with them (hence the original post) and b) OPSEC may limit specifics, but I'm genuinely interested to know why 3 Cdo and 16 Air Assault have BRFs, but other Brigades don't (well, they didn't but seem to be growing them!)

Maybe in the same way that in the past some Bns had Patrols platoons/coys, Surveillance troops, COPs and they are put together in theory from the best of those that volunteer!

The Para Regt,formed up the patrol coys in the 60's for Borneo, after Borneo they kept the role,same kind of selection as the SFSG do now
 

FrogPrince

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