"The Civil War of 2016"

#1
You have got to be plum shiting me.

EDITORIAL: The Civil War of 2016 - Washington Times

Imagine Tea Party extremists seizing control of a South Carolina town and the Army being sent in to crush the rebellion. This farcical vision is now part of the discussion in professional military circles.

At issue is an article in the respected Small Wars Journal titled “Full Spectrum Operations in the Homeland: A ‘Vision’ of the Future.” It was written by retired Army Col. Kevin Benson of the Army's University of Foreign Military and Cultural Studies at Fort Leavenworth, Kan., and Jennifer Weber, a Civil War expert at the University of Kansas. It posits an “extremist militia motivated by the goals of the ‘tea party’ movement” seizing control of Darlington, S.C., in 2016, “occupying City Hall, disbanding the city council and placing the mayor under house arrest.” The rebels set up checkpoints on Interstate 95 and Interstate 20 looking for illegal aliens. It’s a cartoonish and needlessly provocative scenario.
A ) If this is the shite being written about in US Military professional journals, I'm glad I'm now out of uniform.

B ) This *is* a cartoonish representation of the aims, methods, and politics of the Tea Party.

C ) If any moron terrorist group were to seize control of a town in any state, I'm sure that local, State, and Federal law enforcement would easily be able to handle the issue, along with the state National Guard, without needing to violate Posse Comitatus.
 
#3
Not watched the dark knight have you
I've watched a major news network insinuate that the Denver shooter was a member of the Tea Party within minutes of the shots being fired. I've watched mainstream news organizations, the NAACP, and members of the CBC all call the Tea Party racist and violent--yet I've never seen Tea Party violence. Now I read a US military professional journal buying into the lies and slander.

Meanwhile, members of the Occupy movement were arrested in Cleveland in a bombing conspiracy, and when queried about it, the Southern Poverty Law Center said "We're not set up to monitor left wing extremists". Really? They seem very willing to blow shit up for their agenda (Hello, Bill Ayers and Bernadine Dorne)
 
#4
Contingencies & what-not though isn't it? I would have thought those desk bound types would 'wargame' just about any scenario. Academics can spout some odd stuff depending on who they are hoping to inform/aggravate.
 
#5
Contingencies & what-not though isn't it? I would have thought those desk bound types would 'wargame' just about any scenario. Academics can spout some odd stuff depending on who they are hoping to inform/aggravate.
Seconded. They probably have theoretical response scenarios for an Alien Invasion and a Zombie Apocalypse. Both of which are only slightly less likely than a Second War of Northern Aggression.
 
#6
Seconded. They probably have theoretical response scenarios for an Alien Invasion and a Zombie Apocalypse. Both of which are only slightly less likely than a Second War of Northern Aggression.
And they just "happen" to pick the Tea Party as the instigators, a political organization with no violent history, rather than the raft of leftist radical groups which already have a history of taking over portions of cities and violent clashes with police when they are told to vacate.
 
#7
Never mind, I'm sure the Michigan Militia and similar groups will be able to hold off the black helicopters and Obama's shock troops, provided their stocks of candy bars and energy drinks hold out.
 
#8
Well, when one considers the current POTUS ran with and was advised by a bunch of extreme left wing domestic terrorists who do you think they consider the enemy? Who commissioned the Colonel to write the plan? Will the PDR of America eventually create all black units as their Praetorian Guard? Deputize inner city drug gangs as Special Constables? Form millions of illegal Hispanic immigrants into a new People's Militia? All in an attempt to counter an increasingly politically unreliable Army and Marine Corps, suppress the white revolt and hang onto power. Sounds preposterous doesn't it? As preposterous as the scenario regarding 'Tea Party' (read Whites) taking over a city.

Damn the Democratic left really are paranoid, Obama's gang have done more to polarize American society than any group since the Civil War for no reason other than their desire to hang onto power and their contempt for American society.
 
#9
Just wonder if the American goverment will yet again ask the British to provide the military specialists as they have done so often before. Vietnam taught them not to go it alone.
 
#10
Never mind, I'm sure the Michigan Militia and similar groups will be able to hold off the black helicopters and Obama's shock troops, provided their stocks of candy bars and energy drinks hold out.
Oh I don't know, all the 'Good Ol' Boys' in this neck of the woods are well able to live off the land, can you?
 
#11
Just wonder if the American goverment will yet again ask the British to provide the military specialists as they have done so often before. Vietnam taught them not to go it alone.
What military specialists would that be? I'm a former Brit Army infantry officer and I can't for the life of me think of anything the British Army can bring to the table other than moral support. And I'm NOT denigrating the British soldier.

I'd like to point out that Blair enthusiastically, willingly, and without coercion, joined the Bush/Cheaney/Rumsfeld triumvirate in their adventures.
 
#12
what military specialists would that be? I'm a former brit army infantry officer and i can't for the life of me think of anything the british army can bring to the table other than moral support.
echelon.... ;-)
 
#13
There used to be a series of books about the civil war being fought in the 20th century. Never got to read them. Anyone know what they were called?
 
#17
Damn the Democratic left really are paranoid, Obama's gang have done more to polarize American society than any group since the Civil War for no reason other than their desire to hang onto power and their contempt for American society.
We have something similar here. They are known as new labour.
 
#18
And they just "happen" to pick the Tea Party as the instigators, a political organization with no violent history, rather than the raft of leftist radical groups which already have a history of taking over portions of cities and violent clashes with police when they are told to vacate.
In a scenario that is very unlikely, why not pick the least likely organisation. Stand by for British War gamers to put forward a plan where the Women's Institute occupy all of Cheltenham's tea shop and we need to send the EDL in to as a screen to absorb casualties before the Boy's Brigade rappel in from helicopters and take them out.
 
#20
The full SWJ article is here. It's main point is how the US military would respond to major domestic unrest and the answer is by doctrine and with well calibrated main force.

I think its inflammatory to feature the "Tea Party" so prominently, it's largely a respectable entirely democratic movement of tax-averse, Reagan worshipping country club Dixiecrats who may blather about states rights and bearing arms as a means of restraining Federal tyranny but really aren't ever likely to take up arms against the government. These are not the sort of folks that strap on bomb belts and run at government armored columns, it would interrupt their golf and philandering. Like Rick Perry talking Texan secession it's just feel good atavistic posturing.

I think they picked the Tea Party rather than the Klan or another white supremacist militia precisely because it's legitimacy as a movement limits the scrutiny it gets from the Feds and he explores that complication in the article. It also offers a plausible explanation of the elected state authorities being somewhat co-opted politically and unwilling to act. They are talking about a more radical and unlikely evolution of the Tea Party in a revolutionary direction a few years down the line.

However I know a few "neo-confederates" on the movements fringes and the scenario below is something they'd have wet dreams about, they're always chattering about stuff like this. It is the sort of thing that justifies an awful lot of running around in the woods, dreaming of reenacting the Battle Of The Wilderness with black rifles.
...
The Scenario (2016)
The Great Recession of the early twenty-first century lasts far longer than anyone anticipated. After a change in control of the White House and Congress in 2012, the governing party cuts off all funding that had been dedicated to boosting the economy or toward relief. The United States economy has flatlined, much like Japan’s in the 1990s, for the better part of a decade. By 2016, the economy shows signs of reawakening, but the middle and lower-middle classes have yet to experience much in the way of job growth or pay raises. Unemployment continues to hover perilously close to double digits, small businesses cannot meet bankers’ terms to borrow money, and taxes on the middle class remain relatively high. A high-profile and vocal minority has directed the public’s fear and frustration at nonwhites and immigrants. After almost ten years of race-baiting and immigrant-bashing by right-wing demagogues, nearly one in five Americans reports being vehemently opposed to immigration, legal or illegal, and even U.S.-born nonwhites have become occasional targets for mobs of angry whites.
In May 2016 an extremist militia motivated by the goals of the “tea party” movement takes over the government of Darlington, South Carolina, occupying City Hall, disbanding the city council, and placing the mayor under house arrest. Activists remove the chief of police and either disarm local police and county sheriff departments or discourage them from interfering. In truth, this is hardly necessary. Many law enforcement officials already are sympathetic to the tea party’s agenda, know many of the people involved, and have made clear they will not challenge the takeover. The militia members are organized and have a relatively well thought-out plan of action.
With Darlington under their control, militia members quickly move beyond the city limits to establish “check points” – in reality, something more like choke points -- on major transportation lines. Traffic on I-95, the East Coast’s main north-south artery; I-20; and commercial and passenger rail lines are stopped and searched, allegedly for “illegal aliens.” Citizens who complain are immediately detained. Activists also collect “tolls” from drivers, ostensibly to maintain public schools and various city and county programs, but evidence suggests the money is actually going toward quickly increasing stores of heavy weapons and ammunition. They also take over the town web site and use social media sites to get their message out unrestricted.
When the leaders of the group hold a press conference to announce their goals, they invoke the Declaration of Independence and argue that the current form of the federal government is not deriving its “just powers from the consent of the governed” but is actually “destructive to these ends.” Therefore, they say, the people can alter or abolish the existing government and replace it with another that, in the words of the Declaration, “shall seem most likely to effect their safety and happiness.” While mainstream politicians and citizens react with alarm, the “tea party” insurrectionists in South Carolina enjoy a groundswell of support from other tea party groups, militias, racist organizations such as the Ku Klux Klan, anti-immigrant associations such as the Minutemen, and other right-wing groups. At the press conference the masked militia members’ uniforms sport a unit seal with a man wearing a tricorn hat and carrying a musket over the motto “Today’s Minutemen.” When a reporter asked the leaders who are the “red coats” the spokesman answered, “I don’t know who the redcoats are…it could be federal troops.” Experts warn that while these groups heretofore have been considered weak and marginal, the rapid coalescence among them poses a genuine national threat.
The mayor of Darlington calls the governor and his congressman. He cannot act to counter the efforts of the local tea party because he is confined to his home and under guard. The governor, who ran on a platform that professed sympathy with tea party goals, is reluctant to confront the militia directly. He refuses to call out the National Guard. He has the State Police monitor the roadblocks and checkpoints on the interstate and state roads but does not order the authorities to take further action. In public the governor calls for calm and proposes talks with the local tea party to resolve issues. Privately, he sends word through aides asking the federal government to act to restore order. Due to his previous stance and the appearance of being “pro” tea party goals the governor has little political room to maneuver.
The Department of Homeland Security responds to the governor’s request by asking for defense support to civil law enforcement. After the Department of Justice states that the conditions in Darlington and surrounding areas meet the conditions necessary to invoke the Insurrection Act, the President invokes it.
...
My bold, this guy needs an economics lesson, the US being in recession in 2016 is not unlikely.

He does mention state level security personnel being sympathetic with the insurrection. He does not even explore the possibility of mutiny in some army units or clashes with the National Guard, a pity.
 

Similar threads

Latest Threads

Top