The Chinese - not a great bunch of lads

Would that be the same Peter Tatchell who has written a few articles for papers including the Daily Mail, for example criticising celebrities who ask for shorter sentences when done for drugs offences, and has criticised and protested against Putin and his authoritarian ways?
Yes. I was triggered in to a flippant comment by the use of that word "Imperialism" in connection with US and UK and the expression "phoney guise of communism", wondering if he would, prefer them to be real communists. He is right though that they profess communism but use capitalism as a means to achieve their totalitarian aims.
 
A sign that all's not well with the cohesion of the Celestial Empire?

'The recent high-profile arrest of Beijing-based Professor of constitutional law Xu Zhangrun may be a veiled warning to them all. The legal scholar’s crime was to advocate equality under the law for all Chinese citizens.

'It took a dozen police to arrest the 57-year-old intellectual at his Beijing apartment last month. But, he was ready. He’d long since said he kept a spare set of clothes by the door to take with him when detained. He’s now a subject of the Communist Party-controlled legal system he dared criticise. Coercion may be working well to silence internal dissent. Internationally? Not so much. And behind the barks and growls of his ‘wolf warrior’ diplomats, Xi must now contend with grumbling generals.

'Retired Major General Qiao Liang and a serving PLA Air Force Senior Colonel Dai Xu are two prominent voices sounding a note of discord in Beijing in recent weeks. Qiao is one of the founders of China’s modern military doctrine after publishing his book Unrestricted Warfare in 1999. He’s dared to contradict Chairman Xi’s aggressive threats to take control of neighbouring Taiwan by force. “China’s ultimate goal is not the reunification of Taiwan, but to achieve the dream of national rejuvenation so that all 1.4 billion Chinese can have a good life,” he said in a recent interview. “Could it be achieved by taking Taiwan back? Of course not.”

'Senior Colonel Dai was even blunter about the potential cost of a cold war with the US in an essay entitled: 2020, Four Unexpected Things and Ten New Understandings About the United States. “The US would be so tough, imposing stacked tariff increases of 30 billion, 50 billion and then 200 billion,” he writes. “Remember: the 30 billion in tariffs imposed on you will bring an effect of 60 billion, 90 billion, or more. This is where Imperial America is truly powerful. We must be rational instead of angry and fight wisely.”

'People’s Liberation Army Senior Colonel Zhou Bo has also rejected his great leader’s belligerent tone in a recent article for the Hong Kong-based South China Morning Post. Instead of being a crisis, he argued the latest dispute with Washington was merely a “headwind”. It was all to be expected as Beijing continued to “develop peacefully” and Washington languished in decline. “Even if the US is in retreat, Beijing has more serious business to attend to than confront Washington, most importantly the ‘great rejuvenation of the Chinese nation’ by 2049”.


 
More possible evidence of Chinese hunger for resources (gold deposits) and territory.

'A major scandal has broken out between China, on the one hand, and Tajikistan and Russia, on the other, regarding alleged Chinese claims on the Pamir region. This past month, official outlets of the People’s Republic of China (PRC) repeatedly republished an article by Chinese historian Cho Yao Lu, who says that the entire Pamir region belonged to China at one time and consequently, he implies, Tajikistan should now or in the future return it to Beijing. Of course, such a territorial concession would dramatically change the geopolitical balance in this corner of Eurasia, affecting not only the position of the Central Asian countries but also those of neighboring Afghanistan and Western powers like the United States, whose military forces are deployed there.

'Dushanbe has demanded that Beijing renounce this article and stop publishing others like it, and Russian outlets have sharply criticized what they suggest is an effort by the Chinese to test the waters regarding potential future border changes (Stanradar.com, July 27; Ozodi.org, July 20; Lenta, July 24; Rossaprimavera.ru, July 25). The offending article, albeit written on a historical theme, has aggravated Tajikistani and Russian concerns that recent Chinese moves involving security and economic development in Tajikistan have been anything but altruistic. Increasingly, Dushanbe and Moscow view the PRC’s construction of border posts and airports in the Pamir region as well as its involvement in the gold mining industry there to be elements of a larger Chinese plan to eventually annex this area. Such an outcome would put China in a position to fully dominate a rump Tajikistan and northern Afghanistan as well.

'In an article with the provocative title “Tajikistan Initiated the Transfer to China of Its Land and the Lost Mountains of the Pamir Were Returned to Their True Master,” Cho Yao Lu writes that, under pressure from Russia and the United Kingdom, China lost these territories in the 19th century but was able to reclaim a portion in 2010. That year, Dushanbe and Beijing agreed on a new border that required Tajikistan to hand over to China 1,158 square kilometers of territory in the mountainous Pamir region (see EDM, January 24, 2011; see China Brief, July 29, 2011)

'Yet, for three reasons, observers in Tajikistan and Russia are reading Cho’s article as more than a historical disquisition. First, Cho uses only Chinese sources and, thus, gives a tendentious discussion of what happened a decade ago. Second, his comments about Chinese historical control of the entire Pamir region suggest that he and others in China see the 2010 agreement as only a first step to a broader rectification in the PRC’s favor. And so, the argument goes, Chinese development of its reacquired territory and of adjoining parts of Tajikistan’s Pamir lands are part of a single plan. And third, many of these Russian and Tajikistani analysts and officials believe Cho is speaking for far more than himself. Not only did he visit the Pamirs in 2018 as part of China’s plans to develop trade routes through that territory but his field notes at the time were published on the official website of Chinese President Xi Jinping’s “One Belt, One Road” project.


 
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There are ongoing reports of a PLA build-up opposite Taiwan. I wonder when the riots are due to start?

'US Secretary of Health and Human Services Alex Azar and Taiwan President Tsai Ing-wen pose for photos during their meeting at the presidential office in Taipei [Taiwan Presidential Office/Handout via Reuters]

'Taiwan faces an increasingly difficult position as China pressures the democratic island to accept conditions that would turn it into the next Hong Kong, its top diplomat told visiting US Health Secretary Alex Azar on Tuesday.

'Azar arrived in Taiwan on Sunday as the highest-level US official to visit in four decades, a trip condemned by China which claims the island as its own.

'Chinese fighter jets on Monday briefly crossed the median line of the sensitive Taiwan Strait, and were tracked by Taiwanese anti-aircraft missiles, part of what Taipei sees as a pattern of harassment by Beijing.

'Azar's trip to Taiwan has also coincided with a further crackdown in Chinese-ruled Hong Kong, where, on Monday, police arrested media tycoon Jimmy Lai under a tough new national security law.

"Our life has become increasingly difficult as China continues to pressure Taiwan into accepting its political conditions, conditions that will turn Taiwan into the next Hong Kong," Foreign Minister Joseph Wu said at a joint media appearance with Azar in Taipei.'


 

KnockKnock

Old-Salt
Now, as all avid viewers of Father Ted will know, the Chinese are a great bunch of lads. This, as it turns out, is something of a misconception. They are in fact, a massive bunch of cunts.

Now I don’t claim this to be scientific but from my observation of Chinese tourists, I’m happy to report that 100% are pig-ignorant arseholes.

Now, as @smartascarrots or similar will claim that a basic ignorance of all societal niceties and a general dislike of behaving properly in company is a result of a rapid improvement in living standards for those who were previously poor oppressed farmers, raised overly-quickly from a feudal society:

Using your imagination; you’re a poor peasant in 13th century England, living a life of toil and misery when you espy a line of your fellow villagers, paraded up in front of a trestle where the first person is handing over some sort of token and receiving some food from your liege. The process is repeated from person to person.

Do you think:

I’m in a pre-industrial society and have no notion of goods exchange beyond barter but it looks like the people are being seen in order of appearance. I’ll join this line and get my goods eventually.

Or

This arrangement is clearly fuck all to do with me. I shall rock up at the trestle as I desire food now.

^Chinese tourists and queues.


You are standing in a group of people on a deer trail, discussing where best to hunt when you become aware that someone on their way to the well needs to pass but you are blocking the way.

Do you:

Step into the undergrowth to allow the water-carrier pass. It’s a society and we must all work together for the common good.

Or

Stand there bellowing loudly in your heathen fucking jibber-jabber and move not a jot.

^Chinese tourists on a pavement.

The Japanese didn’t go far enough as far as I’m concerned.
Try listening to 'Three Variations on Plum Blossom'...soloist - 'XueFei Yang'. It might just cool your brain, and relax you. Unfortunately, you won't find it on shellac to play on your wind up gramophone.
 
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happyuk

War Hero
China has been accused of trying to land a number of smaller countries in debt traps, predatory lending practices in which the Chinese set up infrastructure in these countries and in doing so load them with debt to the extent they would be forced to cede control of strategic assets to China.

But I found this quite funny. Chinese company Huawei set up a national data centre in Papua New Guinea to the tune of 53 million dollars from China, China got caught using this data centre to spy into the affairs of Papua New Guinea who are now refusing to pay back the loan. Chortle!

 

Yokel

LE
Talking of Beijing and their attempts to secure a strategic foothold in various developing nations, the PRC is happy to supply combat aircraft, missiles, naval mines, and other defence hardware to pretty much anyone. Is that just because of cash, or is Xi looking to secure influence with potential allies, and equip them with the means (eg jets with anti ship missiles) to disrupt peacetime shipping or logistics during a crisis?
 
The PRC defence industry was privatised in the early 90s under Jiang Zemin. It uses overseas sales to subsidise R&D for improvements to domestic kit.

There are some strategic considerations but mostly it's about money.
 

Yokel

LE
The PRC defence industry was privatised in the early 90s under Jiang Zemin. It uses overseas sales to subsidise R&D for improvements to domestic kit.

There are some strategic considerations but mostly it's about money.
I honestly do not understand how private business is compatible with Communism, which is all about the people and state controlling the means of production. A cynic might say it allows the leadership to stay at arms length from controversial sales.

Competition will increase efficiency and make them up their game, which sort of proves the point about a command economy.
 
The PRC defence industry was privatised in the early 90s under Jiang Zemin. It uses overseas sales to subsidise R&D for improvements to domestic kit.

There are some strategic considerations but mostly it's about money.
Like the Clinton ban on Chinese made rifles and ammunition because Norinco was shipping orders of automatic weapons and ammunition to gangs by the container load. Customs found one in the Port of Los Angeles.

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I honestly do not understand how private business is compatible with Communism, which is all about the people and state controlling the means of production.
Marx had capitalism as a necessary step on the road from feudalism to socialism and then on to Communism. That's why most states ruled by Communist parties have officially been socialist republics and not Communist ones.
 

happyuk

War Hero
In the meantime RIP Hong Kong. I wonder how much longer we'll be getting any news at all out of there.

PLA presence has increased massively, according to twitter comments I've been reading and Google translating, along with the construction of camps inside the city. Here's a friendly reminder that CCP has been suiciding dissidents wholesale in the past weeks, often by throwing them off tall buildings.

This twitter account has been tracking the deaths.

https://twitter.com/mikhailhkmy

This is the true face of communism, a dystopian meat grinder
 
Yer fucking kidding. Some of those photos aren't even in Hong Kong, they're on the Mainland - the police uniforms give it away.
 

happyuk

War Hero
Yer ******* kidding. Some of those photos aren't even in Hong Kong, they're on the Mainland - the police uniforms give it away.
Why would it really matter if "some" supposedly aren't in Hong Kong FFS? And I dispute this. It doesn't take a brilliant mind to figure they are simply mainland police in disguise, as befitting the scumbag communist mindset. It is already known that Chinese People's Liberation Army (PLA) soldiers are sent to Hong Kong on "routine rotations" from time to time, and that they generally stay in their Kowloon barracks.

Some officers have been heard to speak in Mandarin (Putonghua) rather than the local language of Cantonese or other thick mainland accent. Some officers have been heard to speak to one another in a dialect that is neither standard Mandarin nor Cantonese. Some officers in groups of police encountered in the street say nothing at all when spoken to.
 
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Why would it really matter if "some" supposedly aren't in Hong Kong FFS?
It would mean the claims that those were dissidents assassinated in Hong Kong are false. What with them not being in Hong Kong, and all.

It would then make any rational person wonder if there was anything else the article was fibbing about.
 

happyuk

War Hero
It would mean the claims that those were dissidents assassinated in Hong Kong are false. What with them not being in Hong Kong, and all.

It would then make any rational person wonder if there was anything else the article was fibbing about.
China is telling you by their actions they are fucked and don`t have a clue how to deal with this.

China is just nuts. They have fucked themselves with this virus and that is just becoming clear to them. They have too many people and they have to expand because the environmental damage they are doing to China is immense. In terms of science they are just plain stupid with the shit they do.
 
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China is telling you by their actions they are fucked and don`t have a clue how to deal with this.
Seems like they're dealing quite well with it, on their own terms at least. HK is still part of the PRC, the protests are fading, international opinion has exercised it's goldfish-like attention span once again and foreign agents provocateur are having a harder time of it.

We can "I wouldn't start from here if I were you" to our hearts' content but given the fact of the protests it seems like Beijing are taking the Gold in this one.
 
In the meantime RIP Hong Kong. I wonder how much longer we'll be getting any news at all out of there.

PLA presence has increased massively, according to twitter comments I've been reading and Google translating, along with the construction of camps inside the city. Here's a friendly reminder that CCP has been suiciding dissidents wholesale in the past weeks, often by throwing them off tall buildings.

This twitter account has been tracking the deaths.

https://twitter.com/mikhailhkmy

This is the true face of communism, a dystopian meat grinder
That is abject nonsense. Not even vaguely credible.

By the way, the press here is free to criticise, which much of it does, just not openly call for, nor support, independence .
 
Edinburgh's Fettes College is opening a campus in China, so they must think the Chiense are a great bunch of lads.
I'm not sure that they should have mentioned Tony Blair as a former pupil. And unfortunately they have missed a chance to reproduce their iconic architecture abroad. The Chinese have the skills to make a perfect copy.
 

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