The Chinese - not a great bunch of lads

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The communists whilst backing troublemakers in the West (BLM, etc), are none too tolerant on dissent on their home patch,

 

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The PRC has learnt lessons well, so I wouldnt put money on the Vietnamese repeating that. The PRC has money, plenty of kit and plenty of bodies, the Vietnamese no so much.
Oldsoak greetings, the Vietnamese were a peasant nation, almost 'stoneage' they beat the most powerful, the richest and most industrial nation on earth. They don't like foreigners in their back yards!
 
the Vietnamese were a peasant nation, almost 'stoneage' they beat the most powerful, the richest and most industrial nation on earth
They were very well equipped, by the Soviet Union and the PRC.

They're perfectly happy to have foreigners in their backyard provided they serve a purpose.
 
AFP is reporting, via The Australian, poor behaviour by Chinese in Zimbabwe:

Chinese bosses accused of ‘rampant abuse’ in Zimbabwe

A Zimbabwean rights group has accused Chinese-run mining companies of “rampant abuse” after two workers were shot and wounded, allegedly by their Chinese boss, after they complained about outstanding wages.
Police in the central city of Gweru said the dispute erupted on June 21, when coalmine owner Zhang Xuelin, 41, reneged on a promise to pay wages in US dollars instead of the local currency, whose value is fast depreciating.

He allegedly tried to sack some of the most vocal workers, leading to an argument during which Mr Zhang allegedly shot one of them in both thighs. A second worker had a bullet graze through his chin, said police.

Mr Zhang has been charged with attempted murder and released on bail.

On Tuesday the Zimbabwe Environmental Lawyers Association slammed the ethics of Chinese employers in the country. “Wages are often very low and in many cases are not paid on time,” it said.

China has funded and provided loans for many infrastructure projects across Africa in recent years, including the new parliament in Zimbabwe.

Tensions over Beijing’s strong presence have also boiled over in neighbouring Zambia where three Chinese factory bosses were allegedly killed by disgruntled employees in May.


Charged with murder . . . and released on bail. Nice version of justice if you can get it. Off to the airport tout de suite, no doubt.
 

Grownup_Rafbrat

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Black lives only matter in the olden days. Modern enslaved black people? We don't protest about them.
 
Ah, the new, much looked forward to, colonialism.

Wonder how that's working out for the taxi driver in Nairobi a few years ago who spent the journey frothing at me how bad the British were, and telling me he was looking forward to the Chinese arriving to right all the wrongs.
 
This is hardly playing out well for a future 'Global Britain'.

'China has reacted furiously to the United Kingdom's pledge to grant the people of Hong Kong a path to British residency and citizenship, threatening to block the move as the row over the security clampdown escalates.

'The Chinese embassy in London accuses the British government of reneging on previous agreements and warns that Beijing reserves "the right to take corresponding measures" if the UK presses ahead with its plan.

'On Wednesday in the House of Commons, UK Foreign Secretary Dominic Raab outlined proposals to extend the rights of those eligible for British National Overseas (BNO) passports, paving the way potentially for around three million Hong Kong residents to move to the UK. This came on a day which saw hundreds of pro-democracy protesters arrested in Hong Kong as police enforced a new security law, on the 23rd anniversary of the former British colony's handover to China.'


 
^ Not really a lot they can do. British HK nationality exists- but we have a hell of a lot of Chinese here who they don't accept back because they have not been authorised to leave China- hence non returns Policy. Most got here by people smuggling. International rules state that any person who has a nationality when a new structure is put in place retain old rights. That means that Chinese people here not of HK British nationality could be interned and returned to China.- Push come to shove, what would China do?? Kill it's own people. That would be eminently good for international consumption.
 
Every day that i read the news (or western propaganda) i cant help but think:
The Chinese - not a great bunch of lads

Whilst it is 90% hope, I just cannot imagine things will work out well for the CCP.
 
It claims to include former Labour prime minister Tony Blair, Formula 1 boss Bernie Ecclestone and TV journalist Angela Rippon.
a war criminal, sugar daddy and jumped up weather girl....be afraid people, the 48 club is nails.
 
This is hardly playing out well for a future 'Global Britain'.

'China has reacted furiously to the United Kingdom's pledge to grant the people of Hong Kong a path to British residency and citizenship, threatening to block the move as the row over the security clampdown escalates.

'The Chinese embassy in London accuses the British government of reneging on previous agreements and warns that Beijing reserves "the right to take corresponding measures" if the UK presses ahead with its plan.

'On Wednesday in the House of Commons, UK Foreign Secretary Dominic Raab outlined proposals to extend the rights of those eligible for British National Overseas (BNO) passports, paving the way potentially for around three million Hong Kong residents to move to the UK. This came on a day which saw hundreds of pro-democracy protesters arrested in Hong Kong as police enforced a new security law, on the 23rd anniversary of the former British colony's handover to China.'



Well I won't be buying an MG now that's for sure! :pissedoff:
 
Published by: India TV, AP, Beijing, on 30 June 2020.

China’s position as world’s low-cost factory under threat as companies prodded to rely less.

The United States, Japan and France are prodding their companies to rely less on China to make the world’s smartphones, drugs and other products. But even after the coronavirus derailed trade, few want to leave skilled China's skilled workforce and efficient suppliers of raw materials to move to other countries.

Disruptions from the pandemic, on top of the U.S.-Chinese tariff war, fueled warnings that relying too much on China leaves global companies vulnerable to costly breakdowns in the event of disasters or political conflict.

Drug makers stand out as one industry that is trying to reduce reliance on Chinese suppliers by setting up sources of raw materials in the United States and Europe. But consumer electronics, medical devices and other industries are sticking with China.

“I don’t know of a single company right now that is moving ahead with any plans to move,” said Harley Seyedin, president of the American Chamber of Commerce in South China.

China’s explosive rise as the world’s low-cost factory helped to hold down consumer prices and boosted Western corporate profits. But it has fueled political tension over lost American and European blue collar jobs. Governments and industry consultants fret that dependence on China can be a threat to supply chains and possibly national security.

Chinese factories assemble most of the world’s smartphones and consumer electronics and a growing share of medical equipment, industrial robots and other high-tech goods. This country is a dominant supplier of vitamin C and ingredients for antibiotics and other medicines. The ruling Communist Party has spent two decades building ports, railways, telecom networks and other facilities that are regarded as among the world’s best.

“China still offers an unparalleled supply chain for any industry,” said Jit Lim of Alvarez & Marsal, a management consulting firm.

Philip Richardson, who manufactures loudspeakers in Panyu, near Hong Kong, said he has looked at Vietnam and other countries. But he said while their wages might be as low as 60% of China's, the savings will be eaten up by the cost of giving up his network of Chinese suppliers.

“We gave it consideration for about a minute, and it doesn't make sense,” said Richardson, who has worked in China for 22 years. “When you buy magnets, now you have to pay for transportation and customs duties into other countries, whereas in China we just buy the magnets and they are shipping to us.”

President Donald Trump took office in 2017 promising to “bring back our jobs.” The next year’s tariff hikes on goods from China in a fight over technology and trade prompted some exporters to shift production. But changes were small. Most went to other developing countries.

The pandemic has raised political pressure for companies to move.

The Japanese government, which sees China as a strategic rival, is offering 220 billion yen ($2 billion) to companies that move production to Japan in a virus aid package announced in April. It offers 23.5 billion yen ($220 million) for Japanese companies in China to move to other countries.

The tariff war prompted concern about China’s dominance as a supplier of active pharmaceutical ingredients, or APIs, used in antibiotics and vitamins. Some American commentators warned Beijing might retaliate by withholding APIs, though was there no sign that happened.

“There will be an increase in the repatriation of national drug supply chains and the re-establishment of national strategic manufacturing capabilities for key drugs,” Sakshi Sikka, who follows the industry for Fitch Solutions, said in an email.

In May, the U.S. government awarded a contract worth up to $812 million over 10 years to Phlow Corp., a Virginia company set up to insure against drug shortages by producing ingredients and generics.

In Europe, French drug maker Sanofi SA is setting up an API supplier to reduce reliance on China. Sanofi says the company will be the No. 2 global producer, with annual sales of 1 billion euros by 2022.

India and Indonesia have announced plans to increase their own production of pharmaceutical raw materials.

Those changes are politically driven and will push up costs, while China's dominance as a global supplier is unlikely to change in the near future, according to Fitch’s Sikka.

Companies including Nike Inc. that used to make shoes, furniture, clothes and other low-margin goods in China have been migrating for a decade to Southeast Asia, Africa and other economies in search of cheaper labor.

For higher-end shoes, however, U.S. import duties would have to rise even further before sites such as Ethiopia or Southeast Asia can compete with experienced Chinese workers and flexible suppliers, said Robert Gwynne, who produces women's shoes for brands including Steve Madden in Dongguan, near Hong Kong.

“All my clients say, we have to diversify,” said Gwynne. But when shown costs in other countries, “90% take the China scenario.”

Companies also increasingly are tied to China by the appeal of its 1.3 billion consumers at a time when the West’s spending growth is anemic.

Makers of automobiles and higher-value goods are spending billions of dollars to expand Chinese production. As the economy reopened, Volkswagen AG said in May it would spend 2 billion euros ($2.2 billion) to buy control of its Chinese electric vehicle venture and a controlling stake in a battery producer.

Instead of using China to export, “now a lot of people are producing ‘local for local,’” said Lim.

Only 11% of companies that responded to a survey by the European Union Chamber of Commerce in China said they were “considering shifting investment to other countries,” down from 15% last year.

Some are leaving to cut labor costs, but the rest "are really committed to China,” said a chamber vice president, Charlotte Roule.

Moving factories or finding non-Chinese suppliers to reduce the risk of disruption "means further investment,” Roule said. “Who is going to pay for that?”

Charles M. Hubbs, founder of Premier Guard, which makes surgical gowns, masks and other medical devices in China, said he is gearing up to produce face masks in Mississippi to avoid problems with shipping. But he said such an approach won't work once the pandemic ends and prices fall back to normal.

“You can afford it now. People are paying $12 for an isolation gown,” said Hubbs, who has worked in China since the late 1980s. “But when COVID is over, you're going to go back to $3 or $4.”

Many companies already have pursued a “China plus one” strategy in Asia over the past decade. They set up factories in Southeast Asia to serve other markets or insure against disruption in China, even if that raised their costs.

But as China lifted anti-disease controls on business in March, other Asian economies shut down, forcing companies to shift work back to Chinese factories, which are working overtime to make up the shortfall, said Seyedin.

Some U.S. and other leaders are talking about possible tax breaks or other incentives to lure companies home. Trump has threatened to raise taxes on American companies that move from China to any other country but the United States.

Even if tax breaks or subsidies go ahead, companies face the costs of setting up a factory in unfamiliar territory, training rookie employees, finding suppliers and possible disruption to customer relations, said Alvarez & Marsal’s Lim.

“Shifting is not free,” he said.

(Except the headline, IndiaTvNews.com has not edited the AP Copy)

[photo] In this April 8, 2020, photo, employees work on a car assembly line at the Dongfeng Honda Automobile Co., Ltd factory in Wuhan in central China's Hubei province. The United States, Japan and France are prodding their companies to rely less on China to make the world’s smartphones, drugs and other products. But even after the coronavirus derailed global trade, few are willing to give up access to its skilled workers, vast market and efficient suppliers by moving factories closer to home.

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China’s position as world’s low-cost factory under threat
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But even after the coronavirus derailed global trade, few are willing to give up access to its skilled workers, vast market and efficient suppliers by moving factories closer to home.
I can't help feel a touch of disconnect between that headline and the article.
 

offog

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Any hope they may h=have had of luring the useful idiots in Taiwan over to the Chinese side must have gone out the window now they have seen the actions in HK.

'The Chinese embassy in London accuses the British government of reneging on previous agreements and warns that Beijing reserves "the right to take corresponding measures" if the UK presses ahead with its plan.
Is it not the Chinese who have been reneging on previous agreements in respect to HK.
 
Is it not the Chinese who have been reneging on previous agreements in respect to HK.
Not really, no. The small print is quite specific.
 
Published by: India TV, AP, Beijing, on 30 June 2020.

China’s position as world’s low-cost factory under threat as companies prodded to rely less.

The United States, Japan and France are prodding their companies to rely less on China to make the world’s smartphones, drugs and other products. But even after the coronavirus derailed trade, few want to leave skilled China's skilled workforce and efficient suppliers of raw materials to move to other countries.

Disruptions from the pandemic, on top of the U.S.-Chinese tariff war, fueled warnings that relying too much on China leaves global companies vulnerable to costly breakdowns in the event of disasters or political conflict.

Drug makers stand out as one industry that is trying to reduce reliance on Chinese suppliers by setting up sources of raw materials in the United States and Europe. But consumer electronics, medical devices and other industries are sticking with China.

“I don’t know of a single company right now that is moving ahead with any plans to move,” said Harley Seyedin, president of the American Chamber of Commerce in South China.

China’s explosive rise as the world’s low-cost factory helped to hold down consumer prices and boosted Western corporate profits. But it has fueled political tension over lost American and European blue collar jobs. Governments and industry consultants fret that dependence on China can be a threat to supply chains and possibly national security.

Chinese factories assemble most of the world’s smartphones and consumer electronics and a growing share of medical equipment, industrial robots and other high-tech goods. This country is a dominant supplier of vitamin C and ingredients for antibiotics and other medicines. The ruling Communist Party has spent two decades building ports, railways, telecom networks and other facilities that are regarded as among the world’s best.

“China still offers an unparalleled supply chain for any industry,” said Jit Lim of Alvarez & Marsal, a management consulting firm.

Philip Richardson, who manufactures loudspeakers in Panyu, near Hong Kong, said he has looked at Vietnam and other countries. But he said while their wages might be as low as 60% of China's, the savings will be eaten up by the cost of giving up his network of Chinese suppliers.

“We gave it consideration for about a minute, and it doesn't make sense,” said Richardson, who has worked in China for 22 years. “When you buy magnets, now you have to pay for transportation and customs duties into other countries, whereas in China we just buy the magnets and they are shipping to us.”

President Donald Trump took office in 2017 promising to “bring back our jobs.” The next year’s tariff hikes on goods from China in a fight over technology and trade prompted some exporters to shift production. But changes were small. Most went to other developing countries.

The pandemic has raised political pressure for companies to move.

The Japanese government, which sees China as a strategic rival, is offering 220 billion yen ($2 billion) to companies that move production to Japan in a virus aid package announced in April. It offers 23.5 billion yen ($220 million) for Japanese companies in China to move to other countries.

The tariff war prompted concern about China’s dominance as a supplier of active pharmaceutical ingredients, or APIs, used in antibiotics and vitamins. Some American commentators warned Beijing might retaliate by withholding APIs, though was there no sign that happened.

“There will be an increase in the repatriation of national drug supply chains and the re-establishment of national strategic manufacturing capabilities for key drugs,” Sakshi Sikka, who follows the industry for Fitch Solutions, said in an email.

In May, the U.S. government awarded a contract worth up to $812 million over 10 years to Phlow Corp., a Virginia company set up to insure against drug shortages by producing ingredients and generics.

In Europe, French drug maker Sanofi SA is setting up an API supplier to reduce reliance on China. Sanofi says the company will be the No. 2 global producer, with annual sales of 1 billion euros by 2022.

India and Indonesia have announced plans to increase their own production of pharmaceutical raw materials.

Those changes are politically driven and will push up costs, while China's dominance as a global supplier is unlikely to change in the near future, according to Fitch’s Sikka.

Companies including Nike Inc. that used to make shoes, furniture, clothes and other low-margin goods in China have been migrating for a decade to Southeast Asia, Africa and other economies in search of cheaper labor.

For higher-end shoes, however, U.S. import duties would have to rise even further before sites such as Ethiopia or Southeast Asia can compete with experienced Chinese workers and flexible suppliers, said Robert Gwynne, who produces women's shoes for brands including Steve Madden in Dongguan, near Hong Kong.

“All my clients say, we have to diversify,” said Gwynne. But when shown costs in other countries, “90% take the China scenario.”

Companies also increasingly are tied to China by the appeal of its 1.3 billion consumers at a time when the West’s spending growth is anemic.

Makers of automobiles and higher-value goods are spending billions of dollars to expand Chinese production. As the economy reopened, Volkswagen AG said in May it would spend 2 billion euros ($2.2 billion) to buy control of its Chinese electric vehicle venture and a controlling stake in a battery producer.

Instead of using China to export, “now a lot of people are producing ‘local for local,’” said Lim.

Only 11% of companies that responded to a survey by the European Union Chamber of Commerce in China said they were “considering shifting investment to other countries,” down from 15% last year.

Some are leaving to cut labor costs, but the rest "are really committed to China,” said a chamber vice president, Charlotte Roule.

Moving factories or finding non-Chinese suppliers to reduce the risk of disruption "means further investment,” Roule said. “Who is going to pay for that?”

Charles M. Hubbs, founder of Premier Guard, which makes surgical gowns, masks and other medical devices in China, said he is gearing up to produce face masks in Mississippi to avoid problems with shipping. But he said such an approach won't work once the pandemic ends and prices fall back to normal.

“You can afford it now. People are paying $12 for an isolation gown,” said Hubbs, who has worked in China since the late 1980s. “But when COVID is over, you're going to go back to $3 or $4.”

Many companies already have pursued a “China plus one” strategy in Asia over the past decade. They set up factories in Southeast Asia to serve other markets or insure against disruption in China, even if that raised their costs.

But as China lifted anti-disease controls on business in March, other Asian economies shut down, forcing companies to shift work back to Chinese factories, which are working overtime to make up the shortfall, said Seyedin.

Some U.S. and other leaders are talking about possible tax breaks or other incentives to lure companies home. Trump has threatened to raise taxes on American companies that move from China to any other country but the United States.

Even if tax breaks or subsidies go ahead, companies face the costs of setting up a factory in unfamiliar territory, training rookie employees, finding suppliers and possible disruption to customer relations, said Alvarez & Marsal’s Lim.

“Shifting is not free,” he said.

(Except the headline, IndiaTvNews.com has not edited the AP Copy)

[photo] In this April 8, 2020, photo, employees work on a car assembly line at the Dongfeng Honda Automobile Co., Ltd factory in Wuhan in central China's Hubei province. The United States, Japan and France are prodding their companies to rely less on China to make the world’s smartphones, drugs and other products. But even after the coronavirus derailed global trade, few are willing to give up access to its skilled workers, vast market and efficient suppliers by moving factories closer to home.

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Can:’t help but think that India and Indonesia have an easy way of expanding pharma. Sweetners of the counterfeit industry.
 
Not really, no. The small print is quite specific.
You are perhaps unique in your perspective because you've served in the British army but have direct knowledge of life behind the Great 'Firewall' of China.

Most English speaking people are at the mercy of Western news as most people in the West can't speak or read Chinese. Therefore, anything you have to say on the matter probably holds more authority than anyone else on arrse.

What are the Chinese really up to? They obviously have some sort of game plan to subvert the West militarily and economically, and it seems obvious to me that we're in a new Cold War. However, this time we've got 3 super power blocks with the Russians, Chinese and USA.

AFAIK there was some sort of agreement with HK that the citizens there were to receive a more liberal status than those on the mainland. The police seem to be curbing the protestors with effective force and I hear there's a new law to arrest people for life. That seems rather harsh even by Chinese standards, but it's an improvement on Tianamen Square.

Is half the stuff we hear about China with the death vans and prison camps accurate or is it spin? Also, are you free to criticize the regime or will you get your head kicked in by the Chinese secret ninja pandas for replying to this post?

If you don't respond I'll expect the worst.
 
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