The Broken Covenenant Toms Story

Discussion in 'Charities and Welfare' started by CharlieBubbles, Oct 24, 2007.

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  1. http://www.britishlegion.org.uk/brokencovenant/Toms-Story-516724.shtml

    The above link is for a short film clip on the story of ONE ex serviceman, he thought he could cope, after all he had been a soldier!

    I sat watching this and cried, I knew full well about all he said, as he had seen and done things almost all civilians can not even contemplate. And in the present climate too many here in the UK are switched off to!

    I know, I have seen, I have smelt, I have been there!

    It has been my good fortune, that now I have a new partner who cares and we are able to discuss all these things together.

    However, locally there are still no local network / support groups for ex members of HM Forces, perhaps that would start the healing process.

    Someone somewhere OWES many a real debt and as yet, that debt has not been paid for THEIR duty.


    Charlie B
    War Pensioner
     
  2. If you cried at that then you're a tad over sensitive mate.

    He does identify a variety of issues but the most remarkable is the mention of the local Regiment. How many on here can say that their Regt HQ has contacted them? How many can say thet their Regt HQ even knows who they are?

    You pay your days wage each year. The least your Regt HQ can do is contact you to see if you are coping, instead of sitting on their arrses blaming the politicians for things which can ordinarily be done on a self help basis. What happened to the 'Regimental Family' they spoke of when you were in? Lad's like that fella haven't seen much of it since they left.
     
  3. As we set sail from the Falklands Rod Stewarts 'Sailing' was being played over the ships PA system, there were Para's RM's and all manner of cap badges, I did not see a Dry Eye on deck.
     
  4. And your point is?
     
  5. After a full military career, when some have coped better than others in what they have both seen and done, so find it hard to respond to their memories.
    So are strong enough to fight the triggers, some turn to booze, or drugs to cope, if married their families take the brunt of all this change, while the NHS have NO idea of how to help, as many have NO experiance of what the militay face. Apart from one ex service charity, no one is able to help those who for what ever their reason fall.
    As for HQ support, WHERE? Who cares, they don't!
    SSAFA have no one trained in Mental Health, not do the RBL, yet the RBL are highlighting the issues TODAY. Combat Stress are the only charity who does work in this field.
    As one who left the services UnFit for service in 92 and have not been able to find paid employment since, with the medical problem causing a mental health problem, I was lucky, I have never been homeless, however there are too many on the street, or worse in prison, all because there was NO help for them, their families, or the wider community.
     
  6. Fair does, but as I asked, what are the Regt HQ's doing about these issues? I know from personal experience that mine does nothing. Surely we should be looking at a bit of self help where external assistance is unavailable/non existent? You've spent a career as a self sufficient individual working for a self sufficient team. Why does that team, who you have financially contributed to through the days wage scheme, fail you when you leave? And it does fail you. Maybe one of those 'Ret'd' Colonels who seem to run these organisations should be pro-actively looking to see what his local ex serving are up to and not just the WW2 vets. Far too many young lads walking the streets and those who are in a position to understand them better than most (i.e. The Regt HQ's), are carrying on oblivious.
     
  7. oldbaldy

    oldbaldy LE Moderator Good Egg (charities)
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    Biscuits you make it sound so easy for RHQs do do more.
    Believe me it is not as easy as you seem to think.
    People drop off the radar at a rapid rate.
    Every RHQ/Regt/Corps Association has a battle to keep their databases up to date.
    I am a member of two Association, the Regt I first joined & the Corps to which I transferred. Every magazine from them has requests to find people who served. In some cases people have standing orders for a monthly payment to the Association but because of house movement they have no address for them!
    When people do come to light they do react & task people who are more suited to the individual, be it SSAFA, RBL or Combat Stress or indeed a combination.
    You may well ask why this then has to be tasked to a third party, quite simply cost. If every Regt Association had it's own caseworkers they would be spread too thinly, how would you look after the guy who served in a Scottish Regiment but lives in Cornwall?
    Of course there regional branches of Associations but that again assumes the inividual is known. On ARRSE we assume all servicemen/women think as we do but you would surprised how many just want to drop off the radar.
     
  8. Surely it is first and foremost the responsibility of the Government - a Veteran's Administration like the USA has would be a good thing - relying on voluntary organizations is a government cop out. Back in the day when there were over 54 different infantry regiments each with its own RHQ located at its Regimental Depot smack in the middle of the recruiting area, with a full time staff devoted to its own regimental association it was a wee bit easier to keep track of individuals. Now not so easy for large regiment's under staffed associations to keep track of individuals where some of their recruiting areas are spread over the entire country. Even more difficult when soldiers who leave the Army do not continue subscribing to their regiment's/Corp's association.
     
  9. If it hasn't happened in the six years since this thread was last commented on, it's unlikely to anytime soon.

    The best overall answer to mental health problems, whatever their cause, is a well funded and properly functioning health service.

    (I don't see that area of the NHS improving much in the immediate future either)
     
  10. On my medical Discharge back in 2010, I got a very nice letter from my Corps along the lines of really sorry to hear of your circumstances, thanks for your service and if we can help in any way etc etc. Excellent I thought very proactive and supportive!
    So I wrote a very polite letter back, saying thank you and asking just how they can help people and how I would approach them for said help...
    2 months later nothing heard, so I send pretty much same letter, starting with I know your probably really busy but could you please give me an idea of what support you provide... etc etc
    Another month or so later get what felt like a snotty reply saying they don't provide direct help and that I would have to be referred by SSAFA before they would look at my case, still didnt tell me or even provide examples of how they help people.

    Wasn't expecting to be hugged and hand held, but wasn't expecting a cold shoulder and big **** off pill either
     
  11. Brutally honest here and speaking from one professional perspective, and happy to be corrected. Outside of psychiatric care and suitably trained people there is no qualified and suitably safe individual who can or should be trusted with poorly patients. Sadly there just aren't enough of them. There has been a lot of talk over recent years and a lot of claims about how post-Service support has improved, but it does not seem to have improved in practice. If anything, from experience it's difficult to see any progress and I'd say it got worse. I know of no mental health workers locally, no RBL mental health specialists. The Veterans Agency are "maxed out" with welfare cases, the RBL and SSAFA have their ways and means but almost everyone sticks plasters on things and hopes people will get better. They don't get better without sustained treatment, forget volunteer caseworkers and the "new" RBL who will lose patience with long term illness and wash their hands of people. They are not "there for life" when it comes to mental health. The failures and blame seems to lie squarely with the national health service mental health provision and funding. Add to that; stigma and unhelpful attitudes.

    There is the Big White Wall which I believe is free of charge to qualifying individuals, possibly veterans too. There are mental health- and Combat Stress telephone help lines. Good resources, but clearly someone doesn't want to fund one-to-one services. Turn up at any Walk-In Centre and it used be "are you suicidal? No? Go home". The subject has been discussed on websites for many years and as someone said, this should be the realm of the NHS. No comment.

    Have a breakdown tomorrow, for any reason military service or otherwise, become homeless, then jobless, then roofless and see just what doesn't happen. Caseworker comes out? If you're lucky. Magic wand, cash for food and a bed? Don't let them kid you. A roof? if there's a Hostel nearby and if they let you in. Perhaps self-referral to a GP is the best option, spend 10 minutes or so with the GP and after that you can look forward to the multiple barriers to resettlement. On the street.

    Disagree? Everyone has their own experiences and views. Just don't get in to the situation of being "roofless" , in need of proper mental health care, dealing with councils and told to f**k off, the many fumbling idiots in the system, and end up dumped in a seaside town with no prospects, no family and no friends. People have come through exactly what has been described and rebuilt their life but for god's sake do not slide down that path, get help before it happens. And if you don't , good luck.
     
  12. I do actually disagree.

    You are so far up your own arse you can barely see your tonsils.
     
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