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Discussion in 'Current Affairs, News and Analysis' started by KGB_resident, Jul 15, 2006.

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KGB_resident

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/5182368.stm

British forces in Afghanistan have defended their decision to call in US planes to drop 500lb bombs on Taleban fighters in a town in Helmand province.

Witnesses say there were many civilian deaths and injuries but UK forces said there was no evidence of any.

Civilians in Nawzad told the BBC that aircraft dropped at least three bombs, destroying shops and a school.
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It is an interesting method. Our American friends would say that we bombed proposed targets on a demand. The British could say that they themselves haven't killed even one civilian by own hands.

Much of the town's market of 150 shops has been reduced to rubble and there are deep craters where the bombs struck.

The newly built two-storey school received a direct hit, causing its concrete roof to collapse.

British troops said the school was being used by the Taleban to launch mortars.
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British forces have been protecting the district government headquarters in Nawzad for a month./quote]

I propose a radical method - demolish the whole town except the headquoters and the Taleban would never use any building. There is another proposition - to replace the headquoters somewhere in the desert. In this case at least Afghani children could attend the school and position of the headquoters would be more defendable.
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KGB_resident, Jul 15, 2006

#1
stabandswat

Typical Taleban technique, fighting from non-military targets such as schools and hospitals as it is 'un-ethical' to attack them. B0llocks. Just nuke the place and let our lads get home.

stabandswat, Jul 15, 2006

#2
KGB_resident

stabandswat said:

Typical Taleban technique, fighting from non-military targets such as schools and hospitals as it is 'un-ethical' to attack them. B0llocks. Just nuke the place and let our lads get home.
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Why not simply let the British get home? If "democratically elected" Afghani government is unable to defend own local headquoters by own army then it is unviable. So British military presence is rather an attempt to cure a cadaver.

KGB_resident, Jul 15, 2006

#3
Bugsy

stabandswat said:

. Just nuke the place and let our lads get home.
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Sounds like a plan. Are you a Septic by any chance?

MsG

Bugsy, Jul 15, 2006

#4
stabandswat

No mate British by birth Smoggie by the grace of God.

stabandswat, Jul 15, 2006

#5
the_guru

KGB_resident said:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/5182368.stm

British forces in Afghanistan have defended their decision to call in US planes to drop 500lb bombs on Taleban fighters in a town in Helmand province.

Witnesses say there were many civilian deaths and injuries but UK forces said there was no evidence of any.

Civilians in Nawzad told the BBC that aircraft dropped at least three bombs, destroying shops and a school.
Click to expand...

It is an interesting method. Our American friends would say that we bombed proposed targets on a demand. The British could say that they themselves haven't killed even one civilian by own hands.

Much of the town's market of 150 shops has been reduced to rubble and there are deep craters where the bombs struck.

The newly built two-storey school received a direct hit, causing its concrete roof to collapse.

British troops said the school was being used by the Taleban to launch mortars.
...
British forces have been protecting the district government headquarters in Nawzad for a month./quote]

Do you really expect us to take any form of criticism from a Russian about justifying our actions in Afghanistan? Your implied crticisms are unwanted and smack of double standards You can come back and drip about us when we booby trap childrens toys. Haven't you got to go and queue for some beetroot?

I propose a radical method - demolish the whole town except the headquoters and the Taleban would never use any building. There is another proposition - to replace the headquoters somewhere in the desert. In this case at least Afghani children could attend the school and position of the headquoters would be more defendable.
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the_guru, Jul 15, 2006

#6
the_guru

KGB_resident said:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/5182368.stm

British forces in Afghanistan have defended their decision to call in US planes to drop 500lb bombs on Taleban fighters in a town in Helmand province.

Witnesses say there were many civilian deaths and injuries but UK forces said there was no evidence of any.

Civilians in Nawzad told the BBC that aircraft dropped at least three bombs, destroying shops and a school.
Click to expand...

It is an interesting method. Our American friends would say that we bombed proposed targets on a demand. The British could say that they themselves haven't killed even one civilian by own hands.

Much of the town's market of 150 shops has been reduced to rubble and there are deep craters where the bombs struck.

The newly built two-storey school received a direct hit, causing its concrete roof to collapse.

British troops said the school was being used by the Taleban to launch mortars.
...
British forces have been protecting the district government headquarters in Nawzad for a month./quote]

I propose a radical method - demolish the whole town except the headquoters and the Taleban would never use any building. There is another proposition - to replace the headquoters somewhere in the desert. In this case at least Afghani children could attend the school and position of the headquoters would be more defendable.
Click to expand...

Do you really expect us to take any form of criticism from a Russian about justifying our actions in Afghanistan? Your implied crticisms are unwanted and smack of double standards You can come back and drip about us when we booby trap childrens toys. Haven't you got to go and queue for some beetroot?
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the_guru, Jul 15, 2006

#7
Roadless

Speaks volumes of the state of our armed forces at the minute.
Bliar sends troops in to head the NATO precence, to show he's
a great leader and statesman, only to discover we cant provide
our own air cover.

Especially considering that A10 pilots prefer to attack British targets
than enemies.

Roadless, Jul 15, 2006

#8
KGB_resident

the_guru said:

Do you really expect us to take any form of criticism from a Russian about justifying our actions in Afghanistan?
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Why not?

the_guru said:

Your implied crticisms are unwanted and smack of double standards
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Unwanted? But why?

Double standards? Where do you see double standards?

KGB_resident, Jul 15, 2006

#9
Bugsy

KGB_resident said:

the_guru said:

Do you really expect us to take any form of criticism from a Russian about justifying our actions in Afghanistan?
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Why not?

the_guru said:

Your implied crticisms are unwanted and smack of double standards
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Unwanted? But why?

Double standards? Where do you see double standards?
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I can't see any double standars either, guru! Our Sergey may be provocative at times, but he always has the good grace to cede a point if he's wrong and he also listens and reacts to arguments.

I also can't see why he shouldn't be able to voice an opinion or bring forward criticism simply because he's an Ivan. After all, we (Irish, Brits, Welsh, Scots) feel free to criticise Russia (Chechnya, Iran, China), America (just about everything the Septics do), Zimbabwe (dictatorship) etc. Or are we allowed to do that but nobody else?

MsG

Bugsy, Jul 15, 2006

#10
Roadless

Bugsy7 said:

Or are we allowed to do that but nobody else?

MsG
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There's a difference though, we're British and Commonwealth, the rest of the World are just foreigners

Roadless, Jul 15, 2006

#11
stabandswat

Thing is, why are the press banging on about what we are doing when the Taleban and causing mayhem and ambushing us?

stabandswat, Jul 15, 2006

#12
ACAB

I think I've lost the plot on this thread already.

Sergey, do you object to British Forces being supported by US air power (Why the fcuk not) or is it the civilian casulaties that "witnesses" claim they saw (The UK military says there wasn't any) The military claim the school was being used to conceal / launch mortars. Its an acknowledged terrorist tactic. Whats the problem??

Oh, good result on BASAYEV by the way.

ACAB, Jul 15, 2006

#13
the_guru

The implied criticism "150 shops reduced to rubble" and "huge craters" sticks in my throat. The craters might still be there since the Soviet forces commited heinous war crimes against the Afghan people, indiscriminately bombing and killing countless thousands of civillians. At least when the Allies see it fit to bomb, we try to limit collateral damage as much as possible, with legal oversight on all missions. Not presenting medals for more kills. I repeat that I will not accept any criticsm of NATO policy there from any Russian.

the_guru, Jul 15, 2006

#14
DPM

KGB_resident said:

stabandswat said:

Typical Taleban technique, fighting from non-military targets such as schools and hospitals as it is 'un-ethical' to attack them. B0llocks. Just nuke the place and let our lads get home.
Click to expand...

Why not simply let the British get home? If "democratically elected" Afghani government is unable to defend own local headquoters by own army then it is unviable. So British military presence is rather an attempt to cure a cadaver.
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To coin a phrase, 'We broke it, so we own it'.

DPM, Jul 15, 2006

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