The Brexit reconciliation thread.

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We will get there in the end. Eventually after a host of Lab / Lib Dem (ha ha)/ Green/ SNP interventions. The Country is for leaving, it is just the snakes in Parliament who need to be taught that, oh, and, no doubt, to their personal financial losses.
 
You’ve a faulty memory on the French they helped us out when approached, I’m assuming the belgian story is similarly flawed.

And you conveniently forget the Eu sanctions on Russia when asked after that poisoning in Chester. And wasn’t there an Eu wide convoy aid system to get like minded boats through the Iranian difficult bit?

I suppose it depends on the spin.
Mitterrand's policy of supporting Britain provoked dissent among some senior officials in the French foreign ministry. In a stinging memo dated 7 April 1982, France's then ambassador to London, Emmanuel de Margerie, described British Prime Minister Margaret Thatcher as "Victorian, imperialist and obstinate". He went on to add that she had a "tendency to get carried away by combative instincts".

In another document entitled The Falklands: Lessons from a Fiasco, senior French official Bernard Dorin accused Britain of "superpower arrogance" and claimed the country had shown "profound contempt for Latinos". Behind the scenes, actions were speaking louder than words. In what would appear to be a clear breach of President Mitterrand's embargo, a French technical team - mainly working for a company 51% owned by the French government - stayed in Argentina throughout the war.

In an interview carried out in 1982 by Sunday Times journalist Isabel Hilton, the team's leader, Herve Colin, admitted carrying out one particular test that proved invaluable to Argentinian forces. "The verification process involves determining if the missile launcher was functioning correctly or not. Three of the launchers failed. We located the source of the problem and that was it. The rest was simple."

The French company Mr Colin still works for, Dassault, said that after 30 years it was unable to confirm whether or not it had authorised the work Colin's team carried out in Argentina at this time. But it is now clear that, thanks to tests they carried out, the Argentinians were able to fire Exocets at British forces from three previously faulty missile launchers.

Francois Heisbourg, who at the time was international security adviser to the French Minister of Defence, Charles Hernu, insists that his government did not know that the technical team was there. But, he says, the fact that it evidently was is inexcusable. "It is now undeniable and... one should not belittle it. This was not what was supposed to be done. It is the sort of thing which mars what should otherwise have been picture-perfect co-operation between the two countries," he says.

But not all in the French government were in the dark about the technical team's presence in Argentina during the conflict. Pierre Lethier, former chief of staff of the DGSE - the French equivalent of Britain's foreign intelligence agency MI6 and signal intelligence headquarters GCHQ - admits that his department did know about them. "This is what intelligence is for. You need sources. We had difficulties to penetrate the Argentinian army at that time during the Falklands conflict. So, the more helpers you have the better you are," he says.

Lethier said that the DGSE had an informer among the members of the technical team who was able to give them some information about what the Argentinian military was doing. But he is fiercely critical of the French team for the technical help it gave. "It's bordering on an act of treason, or disobedience to an embargo," he says. "I mean, it's clear that if the head of state in France decrees an embargo, it's an embargo. Full point."

Britain's Defence Secretary at the time, Sir John Nott, said that although he knew that a French technical team was in Argentina then, its work was not thought to be of any great importance. British efforts, he insists, were mainly focused on stopping the Argentinians getting hold of any more Exocets. Had he, I enquired, asked Paris to withdraw the team? That, he could not remember. Overall, he added, the French did give Britain substantial help during the conflict.

But, does he, nonetheless, now feel a little let down by a nation that he had previously described as Britain's greatest ally? This was his response: "We asked Mitterrand not to give assistance to the Argentinians. If you're asking me: 'Are the French duplicitous people?' the answer is: 'Of course they are, and they always have been.'"
 
I'm not sure which thread is most suitable for this assessment of a civil war in the UK.
I've put it here as a warning about what could happen if we don't have reconciliation after Brexit.

It doesn't model a proxy war scenario between the EU and the USA, which I think might happen.
An actual civil war? More like some strongly worded letters to HMG and press.
 

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Clocks go back, brexit delayed by another hour. Bloody remainers using every trick in the book.

Edit. (This from yesterday, playing catch up)
REMEMBER : Clocks go BACK tonight.

If you're a Tory, back to 1953.
If you're Ukip, back to 1932.

If you're Jacob Rees-Mogg. back to 1741.

And of course if you're Nigel #Farage you just demand that clocks 'Go Back Where They Came from'.
 
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Quite, remanuses will be using harsh fonts at this rates
 
We will get there in the end. Eventually after a host of Lab / Lib Dem (ha ha)/ Green/ SNP interventions. The Country is for leaving, it is just the snakes in Parliament who need to be taught that, oh, and, no doubt, to their personal financial losses.
The one I feel sorry for is that poor husband of Jo Swinson. This is going to cost that poor family a lot of lost income

 

ACAB

LE
Clocks go back, brexit delayed by another hour. Bloody remainers using every trick in the book.

Edit. (This from yesterday, playing catch up)
REMEMBER : Clocks go BACK tonight.

If you're a Tory, back to 1953.
If you're Ukip, back to 1932.

If you're Jacob Rees-Mogg. back to 1741.

And of course if you're Nigel #Farage you just demand that clocks 'Go Back Where They Came from'.
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Ursus Major

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Kill them all, sell their women and children into slavery, raise their towns to the ground and sow their fields with salt... Then we can talk...
 
There can be no reconciliation until the result of the referendum is implemented in full & the treasonous remainiacs in the HoC & elsewhere have publicly accepted there wrongdoing by collaborating with a foreign power. IMHO ;)
Trator!

Trator!!!


TRATOR!!!!!
 

Auld-Yin

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Kill them all, sell their women and children into slavery, raise their towns to the ground and sow their fields with salt... Then we can talk...
Liberal !
 
There can be no reconciliation until the result of the referendum is implemented in full & the treasonous remainiacs in the HoC & elsewhere have publicly accepted there wrongdoing by collaborating with a foreign power. IMHO ;)
I'll be interested to see what comes out of the Russian report when it is released.
 
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