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The Brexit Consequences Thread

I suspect that basic to the EU calculation is the idea that without the backstop, regardless of the merits of the rest of the deal, the end vote will be 26 to 1 with Ireland blocking. Being held in thrall to a pointless shower of Papist Paddies on their piddling pratie patch is hardly dignified.
 
It will be the demise of the Tory party and the formation of another. If there is a second referendum and Brexit is overturned then democracy is broken -what then for us all?
The sooner the ERG fucks off and joins with Tommy Robinson advised UKIP, the better
 
The sooner the ERG fucks off and joins with Tommy Robinson advised UKIP, the better
That won't happen, but what could is this scenario taken from Con Home: ConservativeHome - Comprehensive, independent coverage of the UK Conservative Party

One of the main reasons why the SDP failed was because, under our first the post electoral system, challenges to the established parties from the bottom up face formidable obstacles. This might be less true of change from the top down. In a general election under the circumstances we describe, May would control the Party, the money, the manifesto – and, ultimately, the selection process. ERG members and some other Conservative MPs would not support a manifesto committed to a second referendum.

Is it too speculative to imagine a Tory Party which has lost those MPs – and much of its activist base – but gained a mass of Blairite ones? And then to go on to think of the Party changing its name to reflect this development? And of any new rival right-of-centre party having to set up from scratch, without a durable claim to the Party’s name, infrastructure or assets?

Perhaps. But these are strange times. And building an SDP Mark Two from the top down – in which Gavin Barwell would end up rubbing shoulders with Alastair Campbell, Rudd with Yvette Cooper, Lidington with Chuka Umunna and, yes, May with Tony Blair, as the Evening Standard smiles on – would be a great deal easier than doing so from the bottom up.

To those who say that all this is far too fanciful, we quote not Cook, but Erasmus – as we gaze on the hatreds consuming the Conservative Party, and bubbling away within Jeremy Corbyn’s Labour. Erasmus was contemplating those tearing apart the Church. “The long war of words and writings,” he observed, “will end in blows.”
 
Not to mention a hell of a lot more who didn't see that coming. But don't worry they'll probably blame Europe.

Or there'll be someone along telling us about how much they've saved not having to pay £24.99 or £34.99 for an Ehic card.
Take that Europe.

C'mon, then, skiddy-how much did you pay for your free EHIC?
 
The stupid must hurt.
For a family of 4, I have world wide travel insurance for £38 a year.
Post Brexit, any EU 'health insurance' applied to us will be returned in favour, to visitors here, as we already do by including it in the cost of a visa for those outside the EU currently.
At least it will stop the time expired expats and other EU heath tourists abusing the NHS.
Bring it!


Actually, @skid2 is stupider than @Bagl0ck

EHIC is not travel insurance, it just gets you the same level of local healthcare as locals, avnd if they have to pay, so do you.

EHIC is not, and never has been instead of travel insurance except for the very stupid.


The EHIC is not an alternative to travel insurance

Apply for a free EHIC (European Health Insurance Card)
 
I think all of us, me included, need to take a step back, reflect on what has (or not ) happened and revise our position on what ought to be done. Most of us are Army/Ex-Army and as such we should be perfectly aware than when the battle situation changes, we also need to change at least tactically. Part of the problem is that the strategic level has also changed or stalled with little or no direction as to what the mission either is or ought to be.
I think we are naturally 'conservative' (small 'c') somewhat to the right of centre, but unfortunately the political compass is currently out of kilter and even if we can figure out where we are, we, along with everyone else, have little idea of where we are heading. It's not the solution per se that we should be concerned with, but how to arrive at a working solution that should concern us.
 
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