The Brexit Consequences Thread

#61
And how prey tell, do they reach these shores in the first place, crossing a highly policed piece of well covered sea is not exactly the same as the vast uncontrolled stretches of the Med?

You are aware that the Channel is already one of the most highly monitored bits of water in the world due to the already high volumes of traffic in it?

Buy a ticket on a ferry?
 
#62
And how prey tell, do they reach these shores in the first place, crossing a highly policed piece of well covered sea is not exactly the same as the vast uncontrolled stretches of the Med?

You are aware that the Channel is already one of the most highly monitored bits of water in the world due to the already high volumes of traffic in it?
The same way they come in now but with no UK border force or police in France on the lookout for them getting into the back of trucks. The French don't want them either, which is why we have a UK presence over there and if the French don;t want them then why not turn a blind eye if it get's them out of France.

Send them back straight away you say? You think that the French will just take them back?

Anyway, It's possible consequence that we're going to have to live with, i'll leave it there.
 
#63
The most I think anyone can say is that we will be the catalyst for something. Better or worse depends on individuals' points of view. Perhaps a better way to look at it is to consider that we will trigger a correction of some sort. Things will settle and a correction was, is sorely needed.
It's a massive wake up call for the EU and for Britain, and (hopefully) it will trigger the reforms the EU badly needs. Brexit isn't a fact, yet. Cameron, the man who promised to accept the British vote, resigned and basically left Britain a full member of the EU for at least the coming months. Last year his potential successor, Boris Johnson, expressed the wish to use the referendum result to renegotiate with the EU (and a possible 2nd referendum after the renegotiations). It wasn't an option for Cameron though.

In short, the man who could have led Britain out of the EU refused to do so and passed on this job to his successor. I wouldn't be surprised if the next PM has a "one last chance" meeting with the EU later this year under the pretext of "a divided nation/must not ignore the remainers/for the unity of Europe/World Peace/etc". The longer the uncertainty of "when to leave" lasts, the more difficult (psychologically) it will be to actually push the Article 50 button. With reforms on its way a renegotiated stay in the EU could still be presented as a massive victory for the Leave camp by the next government.
 
#64
Just how would they get to the UK, they are illegal immigrants, they in most cases have no documentation i.e passports and with out a passport or visa your not getting on a train or ferry. If they were to try and cross the channel thats another matter.
OK one more reply, The French, as members of the schengen agreement do not have to conduct border access control, they only do it currently at the FRench exit ports close to the UK because we are not members or schengen nor will we be.

The French do not have to check anyones pasports of visa's at Calais. So when Johnny Mohammad turns up for his coach or ferry, he can get on and travel to the UK. When the UK border people discover that he is not British, they will have to deal with him, sending him back to france is likely to result in a "NON!" form the French so he'll have to be dealt with some other way (hint - by putting him in a camp in the UK until it can be legally determined what to do with him).
 
#67
The same way they come in now but with no UK border force or police in France on the lookout for them getting into the back of trucks. The French don't want them either, which is why we have a UK presence over there and if the French don;t want them then why not turn a blind eye if it get's them out of France.

Send them back straight away you say? You think that the French will just take them back?

Anyway, It's possible consequence that we're going to have to live with, i'll leave it there.
You do realise that the agreement that exists between the UK and France over borders has nothing to do with the EU. You do know that, right.
 
#68
And how prey tell, do they reach these shores in the first place, crossing a highly policed piece of well covered sea is not exactly the same as the vast uncontrolled stretches of the Med?

You are aware that the Channel is already one of the most highly monitored bits of water in the world due to the already high volumes of traffic in it?
They don't just come from Calais either, any passing ship can drop people off.

Coastguard rescues suspected migrants off Kent coast - BBC News
 
#69
#71
Hopefully Brexit will mean no more interference from Brussels regarding firearms laws, so a great result for shooters.
 

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#72
No it can't, the UK is still in the EU, remember
Well, obviously not immediately.

It's an interesting point for discussion. What happens to those cases currently before EU courts and do we need to bide by any decisions made by them since the vote has been made to Leave
 
#73
EU Brexit referendum: France's Calais seeks border deal changes - BBC News

But if the people have a will then agreements mean nothing. You do know that, right?
That's a joke, right. The agreement is between Paris and the UK, not some halfwit Mayor of Calais (who'd have that job!) who is facing her people kicking her in to touch because of the problem 'they' have in Calais. Its obviously makes headlines so she can be seen that she is at least doing something.
 
#74
Well, obviously not immediately.

It's an interesting point for discussion. What happens to those cases currently before EU courts and do we need to bide by any decisions made by them since the vote has been made to Leave
The referendum vote was not legally binding so nothing happens until Article 50 is invoked, then it will be about 2 years before the EU ceases to apply to the UK, however, it took Greenland 7 years to negotiate their exit and they only cared about fishing.
 
#75
Well, obviously not immediately.

It's an interesting point for discussion. What happens to those cases currently before EU courts and do we need to bide by any decisions made by them since the vote has been made to Leave
Technically, I would say "Yes" but, as posted in the Brexit thread there is always the "We'd love to do that, old bean, but we're rather busy with the process of leaving the EU and, well, these things do take time" excuse, which is the diplomatic way of saying "Do one".

Of course, if Auld Nic gets her way, Scotland will be in the EU and she loses her minimum prices policy forever. I guess that's something else she never really thought through.
 
#76
OK one more reply, The French, as members of the schengen agreement do not have to conduct border access control, they only do it currently at the FRench exit ports close to the UK because we are not members or schengen nor will we be.

The French do not have to check anyones pasports of visa's at Calais. So when Johnny Mohammad turns up for his coach or ferry, he can get on and travel to the UK. When the UK border people discover that he is not British, they will have to deal with him, sending him back to france is likely to result in a "NON!" form the French so he'll have to be dealt with some other way (hint - by putting him in a camp in the UK until it can be legally determined what to do with him).
Your suggesting that France will not check Passports on their side of the channel, that they will just let any one board the ferry or train, is that your opinion?

If that was the case, it then becomes the ferry operators and train operators responsibility.
 
#77
That's a joke, right. The agreement is between Paris and the UK, not some halfwit Mayor of Calais (who'd have that job!) who is facing her people kicking her in to touch because of the problem 'they' have in Calais. Its obviously makes headlines so she can be seen that she is at least doing something.
Any links to your insight?
 

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#78
Hopefully Brexit will mean no more interference from Brussels regarding firearms laws, so a great result for shooters.
How does the EU/Brussels meddle with our firearms laws, genuinely curious, as all the restictions I'm aware of have been self imposed. @ugly can you elucidate?
 
#79
The referendum vote was not legally binding so nothing happens until Article 50 is invoked, then it will be about 2 years before the EU ceases to apply to the UK, however, it took Greenland 7 years to negotiate their exit and they only cared about fishing.

Greenland exit was pre-Lisbon, that means the rules have changed somewhat.

Also, Greenland was a member due to their being part of Denmark (autonomy granted in 1979, but NOT full independence) so that would complicate matters somewhat as well.

In other words, you're comparing apples and bacon, the two cannot be compared as the circumstances surrounding both "countries" is so different.
 
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