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The Brexit Consequences Thread

Humperdoo

Old-Salt
So has Health Secretary apologies for lying to British people after saying the Brexit meant a quicker (emergency) approval of the vaccine?

The U.K. used EU legislation to approve it instead of waiting a few more week for (full) EU approval.

ignoring of course that it was made in the EU27

NI got its first 25,000 doses the other day. What route did it take? the shortest one Holyhead-Dublin
That's purely down to the geographical location, (Belgium) as this has been chosen for the European market. It doesn't make sense to order it from Michigan as it hasn't been approved yet in the US.
 

skid2

LE
Book Reviewer
I good to see it’s all going so well.

With 27 days to go, the Government is absurdly denying an Irish Sea Border is coming - even as it is building it. As taxpayers, we're paying for a government working against itself – & in NI we will suffer if Boris Johnson's dishonesty ends in disaster.


It’s not like the Newsletter to be negative about the party. Although Sam McBride has been sticking the boot in.
 
every EU MS has its own similar body, in Ireland it is the HPRA.

The MHRA have the vaccine on “rolling review” (temporary) approval, as any EU27 can do, it means that they don’t have all the results of the trials and they are still reviewing it. The MHRA have granded “rolling review” approval under the EU legislation that they operate (until the end of the month) under.

EMA is being more cautious and reviewing all the data.


Neither approach means it is dangerous (let’s hope it isn’t) or not effective (let’s hope it is)

ah the pleasures of Dublin being so pig headed and resolutely ‘EUropeon’ these last 4 years.
A little less stupid at Dail Eirann, and the ROI could have been rolled in to the U.K. vaccine buy and approval roll out as after all, we are populationwise joined at the hip, see CTA etc. But no, Dublins got to be good EUropeans and sit and wait until Paris and Berlin say ‘walkies’.

so, RoI citizens this side of the Irish Sea will be getting their jabs from next week, while their equally vulnerable cousins who don’t live near the border and have registered in the north will have to carry on dying so the the Dail can get its good behaviour gold star from Brussels in a couple Of months time.

Dail Eirann - as always, a bunch of f****** eejits
 

Humperdoo

Old-Salt
I good to see it’s all going so well.

With 27 days to go, the Government is absurdly denying an Irish Sea Border is coming - even as it is building it. As taxpayers, we're paying for a government working against itself – & in NI we will suffer if Boris Johnson's dishonesty ends in disaster.


It’s not like the Newsletter to be negative about the party. Although Sam McBride has been sticking the boot in.
So, we should just capitulate and give the EU everything it wants? I was under the impression deals are supposed to be reciprocal, otherwise what is the point?
 

WightMivvi

Old-Salt
Anyone else remember the hysterics earlier in the year when Boris refused to join the EU’s covid response? Apparently he was prioritising Brexit over saving lives.

It looks like, with the EU’s refusal to allow emergency vaccine use, the EU27 are prioritising keeping the Commission happy rather then save lives.

Using the principles set by many of the “Boris grrr” types earlier in the year, can we accuse the Irish government of now killing the weak and vulnerable?
 
Anyone else remember the hysterics earlier in the year when Boris refused to join the EU’s covid response? Apparently he was prioritising Brexit over saving lives.

It looks like, with the EU’s refusal to allow emergency vaccine use, the EU27 are prioritising keeping the Commission happy rather then save lives.

Using the principles set by many of the “Boris grrr” types earlier in the year, can we accuse the Irish government of now killing the weak and vulnerable?

clearly the EU thinks a 1,000 dead Italians a day are a price worth paying for cohesion.
 

WightMivvi

Old-Salt
clearly the EU thinks a 1,000 dead Italians a day are a price worth paying for cohesion.
Well, not only the Italians. I’d say that anyone who supports the EU’s stance has blood on their hands.

After-all, that’s how Boris (grrr) and his supporters were portrayed earlier on the year...Unless, of course, the Boris grrr brigade will admit they were wrong. ;)
 

Truxx

LE
So has Health Secretary apologies for lying to British people after saying the Brexit meant a quicker (emergency) approval of the vaccine?

The U.K. used EU legislation to approve it instead of waiting a few more week for (full) EU approval.

ignoring of course that it was made in the EU27

NI got its first 25,000 doses the other day. What route did it take? the shortest one Holyhead-Dublin
Right then lets have a go at this

The speed of clearance had little to do with legislation, merely being able tro proceed at a pace independently. Your acknowledgement that the EU would "wait a few more weeks" means that Handcock was right to say the UK would get it approved quicker .You have, therefore shot your own tendentious opening sentence down in flames.

Doesn't matter where it is made - it was approval and subsequent use that is important here.

Also utterly irrelevant is the means that doses arrived in NI. Which when I last looked is in UK with a number of direct links (including air)
 

Auld-Yin

ADC
Kit Reviewer
Book Reviewer
Reviews Editor
But of course the EU should capitulate
No chance of that! They would rather lose everything than give up one thing - such as agreeing that UK international waters are not a free zone for the EU!

The EU have a death wish.
 
That's purely down to the geographical location, (Belgium) as this has been chosen for the European market. It doesn't make sense to order it from Michigan as it hasn't been approved yet in the US.
Hasn’t been approved
Right then lets have a go at this

The speed of clearance had little to do with legislation, merely being able tro proceed at a pace independently. Your acknowledgement that the EU would "wait a few more weeks" means that Handcock was right to say the UK would get it approved quicker .You have, therefore shot your own tendentious opening sentence down in flames.

Doesn't matter where it is made - it was approval and subsequent use that is important here.

Also utterly irrelevant is the means that doses arrived in NI. Which when I last looked is in UK with a number of direct links (including air)
his claim was “The second reason is because until earlier this year we were in the European Medicines Agency, the EMA. Because of Brexit we’ve been able to make a decision to do this based on the UK regulator, a world class regulator, and not go at the pace of the Europeans who are moving a little bit more slowly”

he states that because of Brexit they could get it approved quicker.... any EU27 Can do the same if they wish as allowed under the same EU legislation that the U.K. used

the EU is waiting until full data is available
 
We’re not asking the EU to capitulate. We’re asking the EU to stop interfering with a foreign country.

As Ireland was a long-term victim of a neighbour with imperial ambitions, I’m sure you’d agree with the principle of self-governance.

well the people to blame for that are your own politicians over the last 40+ years
 
Anyone else remember the hysterics earlier in the year when Boris refused to join the EU’s covid response? Apparently he was prioritising Brexit over saving lives.

It looks like, with the EU’s refusal to allow emergency vaccine use, the EU27 are prioritising keeping the Commission happy rather then save lives.

Using the principles set by many of the “Boris grrr” types earlier in the year, can we accuse the Irish government of now killing the weak and vulnerable?

the U.K. has been emergency approval, the EU is hoping to grand full.

the U.K. is taking a major risk.... hopefully it pays off
 
it the member states agreement to abide by EU guidelines. Pity they couldn't have done it right in the first place.

Absolutely no idea what you are trying to get at there.
Unless you are saying they've only just introduced those rules because of Brexit? Because that's loose stool water of the finest kind.
 
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