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The Brexit Consequences Thread

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I think the remain side could have won this campaign but that would have required:
  1. Meaningful concessions from the EU prior to the vote.
  2. The remain side (and the senior politicians fronting it) to articulate a persuasive case for remaining in the EU instead of using Protect Fear.
Ultimately, when a dispassionate history is written in 25 years time, the result will be viewed as remain losing a campaign they could have won.

Wordsmith
And the outright lies told to the electorate. What about that £350million a day going from the EU, post Brexit, to the NHS, and the rest of the wibble? Is it now considered 'the done thing' to simply pull facts from up yer arrse and stick them to the side of a bus, knowing full well that when a dispassionate history is written the very next day, they'll say it was a mistake. Printers error or something.
Still, its only a test of how the public feel, isn't it? Or did someone actually say the result would be binding?
 
The EU will probably try something but there really isn't that much they can do.

Article 50 was poorly written but it is sufficient for our needs.

I wouldn't expect it to last past the next treaty though.

To lose one country would be an accident. To lose two...

And let's be brutally honest. It won't be current net beneficiaries eyeing up the door.
 
And the outright lies told to the electorate. What about that £350million a day going from the EU, post Brexit, to the NHS, and the rest of the wibble? Is it now considered 'the done thing' to simply pull facts from up yer arrse and stick them to the side of a bus, knowing full well that when a dispassionate history is written the very next day, they'll say it was a mistake. Printers error or something.
Still, its only a test of how the public feel, isn't it? Or did someone actually say the result would be binding?

How can those who wanted out possibly have promised that? They are not (and were not) in charge of making policy. Everyone must have been aware of that.

Still never mind eh, once the 99% take back power, you will show them all.
 
And the outright lies told to the electorate. What about that £350million a day going from the EU, post Brexit, to the NHS, and the rest of the wibble? Is it now considered 'the done thing' to simply pull facts from up yer arrse and stick them to the side of a bus, knowing full well that when a dispassionate history is written the very next day, they'll say it was a mistake. Printers error or something.
Still, its only a test of how the public feel, isn't it? Or did someone actually say the result would be binding?

And I counter you with the leader of remain, David Cameron's claim that he would respect the will of the people and enact Art50 the day after the referendum.

He actually was in a position to do that and proved what a lie his whole campaign was.
 
And the outright lies told to the electorate. What about that £350million a day going from the EU, post Brexit, to the NHS, and the rest of the wibble? Is it now considered 'the done thing' to simply pull facts from up yer arrse and stick them to the side of a bus, knowing full well that when a dispassionate history is written the very next day, they'll say it was a mistake. Printers error or something.
Still, it's only a test of how the public feel, isn't it? Or did someone actually say the result would be binding?

Like all socialists, you clearly live in the past, as all this has been discussed here ad infinitum. I suggest you start at the beginning of the thread, which you've started to crayon over with your head dobbing SABC's etc and O/T sneering at capitalism or anyone that disagrees with your socialist crap. You are an unnecessary distraction and have earned yourself an ignore from this c/s.
Tatty Bye.
 
Humour me for a moment - IF (not when; my crystal ball is cloudy) everything goes wrong after we actually exit (no exports, no trade, economy crumbling etc etc) would you still stick with he opinion that BREXIT was the right thing to do? If so, why?

1) Because there's more to life than money. Self governance isn't an abstract concept. It's something that millions died to give us, and it's something we owe to future generations. It certainly isn't something we should sell.

2) Because you never get anywhere without taking risks. If you take a risk and it doesn't work out, it doesn't mean you were wrong to try. Whatever happens, I think it was a brave decision and I'm proud of this country for making it.

3) Because people are frustrated with politics in this country. Not just with EU conditions such as open borders, but with politics as a whole. Brexit is a release valve for that. It shakes things up and quenches that desire for change. I think that's far preferable to the way these things happen in other countries. Trump, for example.

4) Because that situation would give us a blank slate to build upon. It's not as though we'd sit there and do nothing about it.
 
1) Because there's more to life than money. Self governance isn't an abstract concept. It's something that millions died to give us, and it's something we owe to future generations. It certainly isn't something we should sell.

2) Because you never get anywhere without taking risks. If you take a risk and it doesn't work out, it doesn't mean you were wrong to try. Whatever happens, I think it was a brave decision and I'm proud of this country for making it.

3) Because people are frustrated with politics in this country. Not just with EU conditions such as open borders, but with politics as a whole. Brexit is a release valve for that. It shakes things up and quenches that desire for change. I think that's far preferable to the way these things happen in other countries. Trump, for example.

4) Because that situation would give us a blank slate to build upon. It's not as though we'd sit there and do nothing about it.
I wish I could give more than a like for that.......
 
Interesting one in the Telegraph. They've got a list of the MP's that votes against and the size of the leave/remain vote in their constituency.

Brexit vote: MPs pass Bill to trigger Article 50 by 498 votes to 114 - live

The Labour MP's that voted against Brexit are almost exclusively in constituencies with a remain vote. They'll say they votes according to the wishes of their constituents.

Only a cynic like me would think that more Labour MP's would have like to vote against, but didn't dare - what with a majority of voters in their constituencies wanting out of the EU and UKIP starting to park their tanks on Labour's lawn.

Wordsmith

PS: Up yours, Gina Miller
 
Seen this idiot?

Liam Fox dismisses 'absurd' claim that UK will face £50 billion Brussels bill after Brexit
The European Union will demand a £50 billion Brexit bill, a former ambassador to the EU has has said as the Government said that the demands are "absurd". Sir Ivan Rogers, the UK's former man in Brussels, said that Brexit has exploded a "bomb" under the European Union's budget and it will seek to claw back money from the UK. He said that negotiations with the European Union are likely to descend into "name-calling" and "fist fighting" before an agreement is reached.

Rogers has gone native. With someone with so little faith in as our country as ambassador in the EU, no wonder we didn't get our own way very often.

I loved him stalking into parliament with a face like thunder. Fornicate you, my friend.

Wordsmith
 
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