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The Brexit Consequences Thread

Not at all. I've read it. I'm more than happy with a soft BRINO.

That simply turns a grave strategic error into a foolish and silly mistake. I've said this frequently and that's why I enjoy these threads as a form of spectator sport.

Your grasp of strategy is on a par with your grasp of politics. As for your final contention, your responses indicate that you do not. If you wish to persist in fooling yourself, crack on.
 

Truxx

LE
Which regulations do you think we should chop, out of curiosity? The ones to do with health (food safety standards, for instance)? The ones to do with safety (the irony being that British Standard was often higher than European)? The ones to do with animal welfare? Or is it employee protection?

I know that "red tape!" makes a great rallying cry, but what red tape? And how much of a difference is it really going to make?

And seeing that the big corporations already avoid a shedload of their taxes in this country, what will chopping the remaining taxes achieve? Especially as we're going to be spending like a matelot on shore leave just to cope with the economic impact of Covid-19?
We should start with the Working Time Directive. Then shitcan truck speed limiters set at 56 mph ( set them at the uk speed limit instead, thereby reducing trucks on the road at any one time by 10%. etc etc...
 
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LE
A reasonably interesting post, if you really care about one side of an argument about coffee machines, but it is a classic example of a certain part of the Brexit camp that is utterly obnoxious.

Everything has to come complete with a snarl, a bullying tone and a fanatic's one eyed certainty that anyone who may even have a mildly different opinion, or shows a scintilla of doubt, is weak, deserves to be abused, stamped on and reviled.

All very un-British.
Anyone remember being labelled as thick, old, xenophobic and misled by a bus?

Although I suppose in our new, post truth world we can just pop that in the file marked "never happened"
 
Boris wants to be a 2 - 3 term prime minister, and he only gets to do that if he gets Brexit right. And there are encouraging signs. I'll cite just one. Cummings is advertising for a data scientist who can crunch numbers for the government. Which means that future government decisions will be increasingly evidence based.

You can add into that Cummings has his sights set on the CS recruitment procedures. Henceforth you're likely to need a maths or science degree to get in - arts and humanities degrees are out of the window. More number crunching based decision making.

The government is not going to get every decision right going forward - but their batting average should improve.

Wordsmith
Don’t forget Languages, Law and International Relations come under the heading of Arts/Humanities.
They’ll be needed, too.
 
What can the courts do when politicians are determined to build Greater Europe?

An article from LTO:
In a joint motion on the securities purchase programme criticised by the BVerfG, the CDU/CSU, SPD, FDP and Greens now want to back the ECB's practice. After the BVerfG's decision, the ECB had explained its examination in more detail.

Following the restrictive ruling of the Federal Constitutional Court (BVerfG) on bond purchases, the CDU/CSU, SPD, FDP and Greens in the Bundestag want to support the corresponding practice of the European Central Bank (ECB) in a joint motion. The Bundestag considers the ECB's explanation of a proportionality test to be comprehensible, according to a draft proposal for the ruling, which was presented to the German Press Agency in Berlin on Monday. The requirements of the judgement are thus fulfilled.

On the basis of the draft, the parliamentary groups of CDU/CSU, SPD, FDP and the Greens wanted to decide whether they would participate in a joint motion. The goal was a vote in the plenum this week. If the Bundestag were to approve the paper, this might be a further step towards the Bundesbank continuing its participation in the bond purchases.

Deadline of the BVerfG: three months
At the beginning of May, the Federal Constitutional Court had decided (Ref. 2 BvR 859/15 et al.) that a securities purchase program (PSPP) launched in 2015 could not be legal because negative accompanying effects such as low interest rates on savings might not have been sufficiently taken into account. The ECB should submit this review. Otherwise, the Bundesbank could withdraw from the purchase process. The highest German court gave the Federal Government and the Bundestag three months to persuade the ECB to review the matter.

In the joint motion draft, CDU/CSU, SPD, FDP and Greens refer to a statement on the proportionality of the measures published on 25 June by the ECB's Governing Council. An ECB protocol published last week states that the central bank's bond purchases are appropriate to ensure the goal of stable prices. Sufficient safety buffers were also integrated into the purchasing programmes to limit possible negative effects.

MEPs write that the requirements for a proportionality test contained in the Constitutional Court ruling have been met. The ECB has identified, weighted and weighed up the economic policy effects of the programme. The Federal Ministry of Finance is also convinced that the Governing Council of the ECB has now "presented its proportionality considerations in a comprehensible manner". In conjunction with the documents provided, the decision "fully complied with the requirements of the Federal Constitutional Court's ruling of 5 May 2020".

dpa/ast/LTO editorial office

Do you think those parties wanting to put Germany on the hook for some nasty debt will win them many votes?
 
Repetitive and of no consequence.

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I would like to think that came about after a period of self reflection.

On the other hand, I seriously doubt that the purveyor of......

Cake and Arsse Party

Wait and see

Time will tell

......coupled with a vast amount of wrong predictions, is capable of self reflection.

Own up

It was the Salvation Army you were in, not the British Army.
 
Do you think those parties wanting to put Germany on the hook for some nasty debt will win them many votes?
They represent the majority of seats in parliament 546 out of 709. And after the election they will still represent the majority, sadly there is no viable alternative for them if you don't see the xlw and xrw loonies as alternative.
A big part of the german population is sold to the EU hook, line and sinker, so there will be no change. SOme grumbling over "our money" but thats it.
 
They represent the majority of seats in parliament 546 out of 709. And after the election they will still represent the majority, sadly there is no viable alternative for them if you don't see the xlw and xrw loonies as alternative.
A big part of the german population is sold to the EU hook, line and sinker, so there will be no change. SOme grumbling over "our money" but thats it.

Another nail in their coffin then. I suppose they can't claim not to have seen it coming when it happens.
 
They represent the majority of seats in parliament 546 out of 709. And after the election they will still represent the majority, sadly there is no viable alternative for them if you don't see the xlw and xrw loonies as alternative.
A big part of the german population is sold to the EU hook, line and sinker, so there will be no change. SOme grumbling over "our money" but thats it.

Lets hope a charismatic leader in a snappy uniform doesn't appear on the scene and start telling the German people that what they need are Potatoes
 
Anyone remember being labelled as thick, old, xenophobic and misled by a bus?

Although I suppose in our new, post truth world we can just pop that in the file marked "never happened"

Quite, I'm not excusing that either.

It is a horrible dynamic when it comes to politics.. Attitudes harden on both sides, disagreement becomes dislike, the centre ground where most truth exists is evacuated and the whole thing becomes about something else.

It's how civil wars start. I hate it.
 
Perhaps I'm twitchy, because as a Unionist living in Scotland, I already see the SNP milking this area for grievances - and the very real risk that any second independence referendum will result in a "Yes" vote, if the short-term disruptions are severe enough.

As another unionist living in Scotland I'm sure I don't need to point out that the SNP will milk any occurrence for grievance, like rain falling, the need to breathe, the sun rising etc etc...

Happy to help...

JB
 

Truxx

LE
Quite, I'm not excusing that either.

It is a horrible dynamic when it comes to politics.. Attitudes harden on both sides, disagreement becomes dislike, the centre ground where most truth exists is evacuated and the whole thing becomes about something else.

It's how civil wars start. I hate it.
And yet you labelled Brexit voters as :"obnoxious".

That must have been the caring sharing middle ground "obnoxious", not the other kind.

Every day etc...
 
Johnson needs to up his game, but compared with anything that Corbyn could have put together, he is doing pretty well.
Johnno would’ve outperformed Corbyn whichever. Currently Starmer is doing J’s job for him in continued navel gazing and failing to offer to work with J on improving the deal. Starmer has pretty much conceded that J is broadly on the right track, but thinks he can make capital out of BLM. He’s on very dodgy territory in that respect. I think the concessions that Johnno has squeezed out of the EU is promising and like all deals there will be down sides. But we do need to drag ourselves out of this morass of socialist victimhood.
 

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