The bigotry of the left wing / champagne socialism

I do like watching the red faced snarling Tories spit bacteria laden flecks of spittle on these occasions though, it's fascinating.
Whereas the fresh faced serenely smiling Lefties breathe sweetness and light into the hearts and minds of the poor downtrodden workers.

Well I'm off to find my dancing shoes, there's a grave of a certain Viscount Stansgate needs dancing on.
 

Trans-sane

LE
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Not really, because the policies, however ineptly crafted and presented, are at least intended to benefit working people and the poor, rather than wealthy people and companies, read shareholders, like those of their opponents.


I do like watching the red faced snarling Tories spit bacteria laden flecks of spittle on these occasions though, it's fascinating.

Pity David Attenborough doesn't do anthropology, he would make a belting documentary on the tribe.
Yep. Such as eliminating the 10p tax band. Certainly designed to help the working man. Or the escalating green taxes that don't at all fall disproportionately on the lower earners that pay a greater percentage of their net income on energy, or work in heavy industries that become unviable if energy is expensive. In no way did it leaf to the closures of steel, aluminium and quite possibly cement plants staffed by working class people...

Then there is the hideously expensive fuel duties and the double-dipping with VAT which again hits the lower earners proportionally more. Plus one of. The biggest classes of employment for the semi skilled in the western world being driving jobs (it is THE biggest in the USA). All those truck and delivery van drivers having another downwards driver on their pay packet and employer's commercial viability. All those taxi drivers who are often self employed and paying a fee to be on a system. All those mobile mechanics. And at a stretch all those police, ambulance drivers and firemen. Plus the costs of every good you buy escalating by however small an amount.

Ultimately there is little observable difference between well-meaning shit-wittedness and outright malevolence. I have yet to observe that level of malevolence in conservative government in my working life. The increasing of the personal tax allowance year on year since 2010 has done more to benefit me than anything a labour government has done in my lifetime.
 
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The increasing of the personal tax allowance year on year since 2010 has done more to benefit me than anything a labour government has done in my lifetime.
Everybody seems to forget that the increase in personal tax allowance was LibDem policy for years before the Coalition and only started as a result of them putting pressure on the Tories during Coalition.
 

Trans-sane

LE
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Everybody seems to forget that the increase in personal tax allowance was LibDem policy for years before the Coalition and only started as a result of them putting pressure on the Tories during Coalition.
Guilty your honour. However it seems to be a policy they have taken as their own as it's increased every year since. Such a radical concept of letting workers keep more of their own money. They'll be letting them vote next!
 
Yep. Such as eliminating the 10p tax band. Certainly designed to help the working man. Or the escalating green taxes that don't at all fall disproportionately on the lower earners that pay a greater percentage of their net income on energy, or work in heavy industries that become unviable if energy is expensive. In no way did it leaf to the closures of steel, aluminium and quite possibly cement plants staffed by working class people...

Then there is the hideously expensive fuel duties and the double-dipping with VAT which again hits the lower earners proportionally more. Plus one of. The biggest classes of employment for the semi skilled in the western world being driving jobs (it is THE biggest in the USA). All those truck and delivery van drivers having another downwards driver on their pay packet and employer's commercial viability. All those taxi drivers who are often self employed and paying a fee to be on a system. All those mobile mechanics. And at a stretch all those police, ambulance drivers and firemen. Plus the costs of every good you buy escalating by however small an amount.

Ultimately there is little observable difference between well-meaning shit-wittedness and outright malevolence. I have yet to observe that level of malevolence in conservative government in my working life. The increasing of the personal tax allowance year on year since 2010 has done more to benefit me than anything a labour government has done in my lifetime.


If you've yet to observe malevolence in Conservative Government you're not paying attention.

Yeah, Labour are a bunch of knob ends, but on the other hand it's not them who have consistently blocked, diminished or dismantled worker protection legislation, Union rights and access to justice for poorer people.

Some people-me included - are real winners from Thatcher's deregulation of the labour market but most emphatically are not. Casualisation is a bad thing or, if you've read 1066 and all that, it's a Bad Thing.

The assault on Council housing is not a Labour thing, and it's a Bad Thing too. It impacted wonderfully, financially, on the relatively small number of people gifted public property at knock down rates but the rest of us suffer as our tax money goes on paying for private landlords to clean up in a low supply market. Again that includes me.
 
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Everybody seems to forget that the increase in personal tax allowance was LibDem policy for years before the Coalition and only started as a result of them putting pressure on the Tories during Coalition.
It was a pretty sensible policy, I've never seen the point of having to tax the poorer workers, only to then hand them back more money in the form of government subsidies

Much better to take them out of taxation as much as possible, and let them know that work pays
 
It was a pretty sensible policy, I've never seen the point of having to tax the poorer workers, only to then hand them back more money in the form of government subsidies

Much better to take them out of taxation as much as possible, and let them know that work pays

Agree, it costs a sum per pound taxed, another sum per pound given out.

In fact, cut all tax for public employees, drop their wages accordingly, programme the DSS computer to treat them as NI payers regardless, fire about a quarter of the HMRC who are suddenly not needed.


Result.
 
Everybody seems to forget that the increase in personal tax allowance was LibDem policy for years before the Coalition and only started as a result of them putting pressure on the Tories during Coalition.
It was also the BNPs
 
It was a pretty sensible policy, I've never seen the point of having to tax the poorer workers, only to then hand them back more money in the form of government subsidies
It makes people think they are getting something extra from the government.
Child benefit for example is just a merry-go-round for tax/benefits at a cost, but look at the outrage when its suggested it should be binned.
 
....In fact, cut all tax for public employees, drop their wages accordingly, programme the DSS computer to treat them as NI payers regardless, fire about a quarter of the HMRC who are suddenly not needed.
Result.
I take it you don't view public sector employees as members of the working classes, that you are defending so vehemently?
 
It makes people think they are getting something extra from the government.
Child benefit for example is just a merry-go-round for tax/benefits at a cost, but look at the outrage when its suggested it should be binned.
I'm surprised the environmentalists haven't complained about that one, HMG providing a subsidy to bring more children into this over populated planet
 
I'm surprised the environmentalists haven't complained about that one, HMG providing a subsidy to bring more children into this over populated planet
The Greens have spoke of lowering the population before, but its not popular with the voters so they dont broadcast it as much as they could.
 
Sadly the human population problem is not a subject that anyone in power seems to have the balls to talk about.
There are too many humans as it is, child birth is not a miracle, human life is not priceless and we should not be applauding any couple who has more than 2 children.

Eco warriors protesting against climate change is all well and good, but perhaps distributing birth control techniques around the globe would also be a worthy cause. It's a shame that the dogshit religions of this world would argue against it.
 
I take it you don't view public sector employees as members of the working classes, that you are defending so vehemently?
Not sure what you mean.

I'm quite the lefty in most respects but I've never been one for defending make-work jobs. If we can take a bunch of HMRC people and put them in productive parts of the economy, or in public sector roles we need more (teachers? MI5? Public health? Sorting the bloody roads out?) I can't see a problem with it.

It's one of the weaknesses both sides of the political fence, defending the indefensible because it plays to the core vote. Pointless job creation and support for dying industries is Labour's Achilles heel, or one of them.


I have to admit saying so gets a frosty reception in the Labour club....
 

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